Yeah I’m thinking of getting the Canon too. March 28 sale offered by this store: Yaoyaotiger HIFI Audio Store - Amazing products with exclusive discounts on AliExpress. tempting…
I pulled the trigger on both. Bought the Hekili from @rattlingblanketwoman on another forum. Canon was ordered on Penon. It’s my first time ordering from there so, hopefully it won’t take long to receive them. Super excited to hear both them for the first time. My bank account needs to take a break for a bit. Hopefully no one else sparks up any other choices that get talked about a lot in this thread.
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bold of you to assume it gets a break in this hobby 
Don’t forget the burn in. According to trustfull information, you need at least 100h of burn in and a new cable on Ttroms.
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That graph is not too shabby at all imo, speaking as someone who likes phat mids
Mjolinir…I got ya bro
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A link to a posting about KZ related driver issues.
From the link if it doesn’t work. The issue with KZ drivers “not working” may be more complicated than initially thought.
Delta Fyre ChiFi Audio Reviews
March 26 at 6:20 AM ·
TRN BAX- When i spill my glass of water, why does my ceiling get wet?
Doing the same exact thing i did to KZ CRN, disconnecting the positive wire going to the EST (Sonion EST65DA01
Dual-Tweeter) and measuring the frequency response after shows… no changes? not even a SLIGHT drop to those
treble peaks around 10k??
Doing the same process to the BA, (Knowles 29689 Unit) disconnecting the BA results in an INCREASE to the
frequencies 2K and beyond…
The first thing i did with these troubling results was share it with our friend at DUNU, and asked why the Sonion unit
has seemingly negative SPL. They use the same exact Sonion unit in their EST112, and explained that these EST
units are simply very low-output drivers in basically EVERY implementation. The sound output of the Sonion EST is
about 90dB with proper measurements. The DD in the BAX has an output of 118dB, which is over 100x LOUDER
than the EST. These EST drivers are for simply altering timbre. It’s for giving an iem that extremely subtle crispiness.
And if you’ve ever listened, you would get the impression that it’s working.
So why then are my meaurements so DECEIVING? it’s quite simple really, these frequency graphs are a
TERRIBLE, horrible way of representing sums…
"The decibel is useful for representing LARGE RATIOS…It’s application in systems with additive effects is less
intuitive, such as in the combined sound pressure level of two machines operating together" -Wikipedia
All this time I’m using this IEC mic like it’s the scroll of truth, forgetting just how MISLEADING statistics can actually
be.
As for the BA, I’m thinking maybe the BA could be reversed polarity as a creative way to tune down the DD, or
maybe the BA is functioning positivity with the DD and the increase we see after it’s removed is due to the drop in
resistance of the total circuit.
This is a genuine EST earphone with a genuine Sonion EST. Proper implementation. And I’m just SHOCKED to see
how the performance is comparible to the cheap magnetostats of today…
Has KZ actually bested Sonion, and did they get bashed for doing it???
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Can’t see - screenshot please?
First off, thanks for the detailed review.
Those two statements make a ton of sense. I am at that point where I am paring my collection down to just the stuff that I really love listening too, and just selling or giving away the other stuff. Almost everything is either a great set for me, or has a specific purpose for my collection.
I have been pondering a quality hybrid Mangird Tea, Audio Hekili, or Yanyin Canon, and was thinking that I have picked up a couple of brighter sets lately with the Olina and S12, so I might lean toward something a bit darker.
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Saw this video today. In short “it doesn’t have a bass shelf so it’s not good”
Well, every open back headphone bass response looks similar to the OLA.
Means all open back headphones sound bad / not high fidelity? Including of course all the headphones You liked like Arya, clear, susvara…
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Man,
They screwed folks.
Lied about the impacted batches
denied returns to folks who did not fit into that arbitrary window.
Original DQ6 also suffered from same.
And they still sell em.
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That’s not exactly how I’m reading this.
It’s more a critique of the use of Frequency Response to “demonstrate” the individual contribution to sound of any ONE driver in a multi-driver IEM.
You remove a driver from a multi-driver IEM, measure it, and don’t see a change. That doesn’t mean you don’t HEAR a change. The drivers DO work - albeit at a significant dB level level lower than the dominate driver(s).
The fact that the FR of an IEM does not GRAPHICALLY show a change, when removing a specific driver, means that one should question the one-to-one relationship of an FR graph to sound.
As I understand it, this person is saying “mea culpua” to his prior posts which were critical of KZ.
From the post:
This is a genuine EST earphone with a genuine Sonion EST. Proper implementation. And I’m just SHOCKED to see how the performance is comparible to the cheap magnetostats of today…
Has KZ actually bested Sonion, and did they get bashed for doing it???
Edit: Adding this to clarify the context. The below is taken from the first sentence of the post and should be read in context to the above quote.
Doing the same exact thing i did to KZ CRN, disconnecting the positive wire going to the EST (Sonion EST65DA01 Dual-Tweeter) and measuring the frequency response after shows… no changes? not even a SLIGHT drop to those treble peaks around 10k??
Folks wrote it off as having no treb.
It has ALWAYS been in my “S” tier and it has excellent treb idgf what a graph says
You are preaching to the choir literally about that.
DQ6 and DQ6s suffer from horrible QC
They handled it only AFTER my vid.
They handled it and continue to pretty bad
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This was the one with the glue problem, right?
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Yep, people probably jumped to conclusions regarding the whole “drivers here just for marketing” thing. The best reaction kz could have to calm down everyone would be building a special version of the CRN with switches. One switch to disconnect/reconnect the magneto-driver, and another to connect/disconnect the BA driver. This way anyone curious enough could test the difference by himself and hear what each driver does.
At least, that would be quite a smart move IF the difference between driver on/off is obvious, which may not be the case with EST.
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While I get your point, and actually do like the Ola curve, and think it’s a valid target, there is probably a psychoacoustic distinction between how bass is perceived in over-ears vs in-ears (as well as different measurement rigs etc), and a direct comparison could lead to some pitfalls.
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