Beginning the Headphone Hi-fi Eutopia

Well GS_X mini has a warm character to it’s sound and 789 is neutral. That is of higher end amp. I currently have ifi pro Ican and Aune x7s. I can’t tell difference with a quick listen, only difference is power output is killer on ifi. I should be getting the mini soon and 789 in Nov. I hope there’s a difference.

I have a topping d10 and will recommend he gets one. It’s great because it converts all you should need in music and powers off the usb. Last he can add toslink out to future set up. I think they are $80 brand new. Also I’ll recommend Aune x7s he can add balance cable to it even though it’s not balanced in. I’ll snapp a pic later of the two.

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All good advice…

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I didn’t like the SMSL stack it didn’t have the dynamics that my Aune x7s was putting out so I sold it. Z recommends monoprice thx 788. Could just go the DAP route then later do desk top. Monolith by Monoprice Portable Headphone Amplifier and DAC with THX AAA Technology $299.00

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Topping D10 and Aune x7s

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Not really. Scientific studies have been done. If proper ABX test is done with proper volume matching, test subjects cannot differ between solid state amps.

You say you have done tests, but I would challenge you on providing how you did it.

Placebo and junk science is common in this hobby.

I would agree

We had two amps in a room with a pair of ls50’s, and he had a bryston amp and a krell amp. They were of similar caliber and price. Also had super similar measurements and power ratings. He bought a diy speaker terminal switcher switcher (kinda wish I had one) so he could compare the two and return the one he liked less, and I was curious if I could tell them from each other. After properly volume matching with a spl meter, we had one of us go behind a couch and switch the inputs randomly for a couple of minutes, and then had to pick out which was which. I remember picking them correctly because the krell amp had something different about the presence area and was slightly sharper there, where the bryston sounded more even to my ears. I did hear both amps a day earlier though. It was nowhere near a scientific test and we were just messing around at that point. I’m sure there are many flaws, but most people won’t have a perfect setup either. I couldn’t tell the difference from balanced to unbalanced in that setup though, after they were volume matched

Like I said, if everything was perfectly engineered there would be no perceivable differences. But manufacturers gotta do something to differentiate themselves in the higher end market

And another thing is that no one is forcing you to spend money on a nicer amp if you don’t feel that there is a difference. I’m sure that some people are definitely mislead, and that’s why if I recommend anything it’s always going to be conservative and the best value possible, as my goal isn’t to push anything on anyone.

You also have to consider the human brain when you talk about ABX testing. I feel the better way to test something like amps is to spend a lot of time with each amp and really let you get a sense of all the properties about it. Your brain can’t really fully process short abx testing. But that could be said about any method as well. The brain is not a machine and alters results of everything we do. There are so many ways your brain can be tricked and altered

Another thing to think about is that these are very small differences in sound. People kinda have to be familiar with both the amps and spend adequate time to really pick up on difference. If you just take a random sample of people and let them find a difference between something they have never heard before, I’m not surprised they can’t tell a difference. It would be like showing people a painting with slight differences in the colors and lines, and letting them look at it for a few minutes, and then show them the other painting. People are going to have a pretty hard time finding the differences. If you let people spend a few days familiarizing themselves with the subject material, it’s going to be pretty likely that you have more people spot the differences. ABX testing is a scientific way of comparison, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it will lead to results that tell the whole story. There are plenty of other methods of discrimination testing that could yield different results

I’m just going to pick the better thing to my ear, and something that sounds better to me. There’s more that goes into something “sounding good” then just the sound. The ideal goal of this hobby is to enjoy the sound, and if someone decides to throw money at expensive cables, it’s their choice, and actually might influence their brain to perceive their setup to sound better to them. It’s pretty impossible to remove your brain from the equation unfortunately. (not advocating for expensive cables here, just an example) You just have to account for that, and that in its self is why placebo lives in this hobby. But I definitely don’t like the false scientific claims in audio, as there is a difference from recognizing placebo and accepting it vs trying to claim something as scientific fact when it is clearly not

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I started with a smsl su8 dac and a jds lab atom, in planing to get a better amp in the future but for now I’m super happy.

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Fiio Q5 with the THX AAA module is also an option, if you really want the AAA technology.

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The Q5s is the newer q5 and has some upgrades, but idk what the differences are

TBH at that budget and portable also the ifi micro bl comes to mind.

Pretty overkill for a 58x, but is a good amp for very power hungry headphones

I agree. But when the budget is there there is no harm in getting a great setup that can last for the next couple of Cans.

Fiio Q5s now has LDAC BT Codec and
the 4.4mm out is new
The DAC is less warmish with the new Chip
Line out mode is still unbalanced
So I would prefer my ifi xDSD with the THX 789 for example.
But the ifi nano BL is a good alternative:

  • mobile
  • mqa support
  • iematch build in
  • 3.5TRRS balanced hf out
  • ifi support
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Well I would feel at the price of the q5s the ifi equivalent would be the xdsd. But I would say if you want a cleaner and more balanced sound + a bit more power, the fiio is the better choice

Hey Brian_Coffelt you wanna buy my Topping D10 and Aune x7s sell it $200.00 + shipping? Got all original packaging. That let purchase another set of cans like the phantoms. and be able to use balanced headphone cable. I’m about to put it on ebay soon so figure I’d ask.

with which amp module?

if I would have to decide now, I maybe would also go for the Q5s because of LDAC and the propriatary 3,5 TRRS on the xDSD - the cost for adapters and third party custom cables … fiddling around
but on the other hand - I don´t want to miss mqa support

interesting comparison

I’m pretty sure that stock q5 was more powerful then the xdsd when I was still looking around

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possible - the question is always what hf one would drive on the go with such a unit

the xCAN is another (cheaper at around 300)nice solution with beeing a simple analog (single ended and balanced) amp + BT module with way more power, if needed.

another point for the Q5/s is the integrated buttons for play/pause/next song - this makes so mutch more sense using it instead of a DAP. The ifi products can mute sound - that is all

The Q5 also has built in eq and filter changing with the fiio app that then applies to the unit, so you don’t need the app to be running and you can have your eq always set