Does "Audiophile" USB cables make a diffrence?

Standart USB printer (type a to type b) cable limit in 2.0 is 5m / 16ft.
You probably get data loses etc. Also audio might corrupted.
Charging PS controller over 20ft / 6.5m cable, so at least that works.

USB -C
1m (3.3 feet) — USB 3.1 Gen 2 SuperSpeed Plus
3m (9.8 feet) — USB 3.1 Gen 1 SuperSpeed:
4m (13 feet) — USB 2.0 High Speed:

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Your supposed to use active repeaters for USB over about 16ft, but I wouldn’t worry about it if it’s working.

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To expand on what others are saying, the beauty of digital signaling is either all the bits get there or nothing does. There is no degradation of signal so boutique USB, Toslink, and digital Coax cables are all pretty much snake oil, that’s not to say there isn’t value in getting something decently made with a decent jacket to protect the cable and such, but just an extra couple dollars over the cheapest thing available will get you that.

Some of the high end USB audio cables have not even been made a cording to USB-standards.
They might have “better” material inside, so being “better”.
So they might not work tech.correct between devices, device recognition might not work, speed is totally off what it should be and other data issues.
2$ printer cable made with standards might work more correctly.

Monoprice makes a pretty nice cable and its cheap too. 13.39$ for 6 foot. check out this description:

  • 23AWG solid-core silver-plated signal conductors for low loss and higher conductivity
  • 22AWG oxygen-free copper power conductors for better power delivery
  • Advanced foamed polyurethane dielectric for low signal loss
  • Quadruple shielded for rejection of RFI and EMI
  • Signal conductors have separate aluminum foil shield
  • Overall oxygen-free copper/tinned-copper braided shield
  • Overall double-sided aluminum foil shield
  • Silver content solder joints
  • 24K gold-plated connectors for best electrical contact
  • Nylon braided sleeve for tangle-free handling

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=33463&gclid=CjwKCAjw88v3BRBFEiwApwLevarVx4uN3LAoabB4qeEXtk35x9qDDhk_cbcZnJPGVAOkYEK6hclK3hoCtJEQAvD_BwE

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That’s correct with a file. If a bit isn’t there, the packet is corrupted and dropped. The transfer is stopped and a new request for the data is made. Not so with audio - it’s essentially a stream. A missing bit = dropped packet = sound degradation. There is no request for re-sending of bad data from a DAC to the source.

Over a single point to point connection that is running a typical length (less than 10 feet) assuming the cable is of some reasonable spec you absolutely are not experiencing any packet loss at the receiving end. I work on computer networks every day. USB has stayed around so long because it’s an incredibly reliable bus for point to point communication. Trust me, there is zero difference in data transmission between a $15 cable and a $95 cable. None. Audiophiles are always in search of better, we can have a fantastic system and we go, hmmmm, what if I did this, and that’s what these snake oil salesmen count on. There is not such thing as an audiophile grade USB cable.

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Cool, thanks for that real world perspective on the subject :+1:

I use optical, I mean everyone knows the speed of light is best. :wink:

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I have used printer cable, Amazon basics, and audioquest. There’s no difference.

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Year me too,have teseted printer Cable vs the Inakustik usb cabel over 50€ and have heard no difference.
Only thing where is good and suffisant when the cabel are Hf restistend and are shielded in my eyes.Need not more.And can find it for 30€/$.

Better yet - use coax. 2 less signal conversions for potential error introduction (electric → light, light → electric).

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@Rorogo just wait till you wire your full system…interconnects, HP cables/speaker cables etc…you’ll not sleep for weeks instead of just listening to the music?

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and if your computer doesn’t have one of these…

I wonder if I connect that to my printer, it will make my print quality better.

It’s shit like that that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt what snake oil and audiophile go hand in had.

Even reviewers that one would trust, periodically say they have a friend that can can hear the difference between RCA connector HOUSINGS. Or that they plugged in this audiophile quality TOSLINK cable and they could immediately hear the difference.

Seriously.

Now the one place you can make an argument for improvement in cables is in the analog realm. Like I said, digital, assuming you follow the guidelines in the spec and are not using a total junk cable it’s all going to be good (except HDMI sometimes because that spec is in a constant state of flux and usually it an HDCP issue more than lost packets)

Now if you want to spend a few bucks more on analog RCA or on speaker cables, there is some justification there. A good set of RCA interconnects can deaden noise substantially. Now that’s not to say you have to pay obscene amounts for quality, but lets say you see a cable at five below and one online for $30, it’s a good chance that the $30 analog cable is substantially better.

All this stuff gets grouped together, but there is plenty of evidence that at least some sorts of cables have an impact. It’s just as dangerous to yell snake oil at everything because of a simplified world view as it is to believe everything that get thrown around.

TOSLINK Optical cables for example are among the worst digital transports and there are very measurably differences in error rates between low quality fibre optic connections and higher quality ones. Coax is a much better was to go for SPDIF.

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But the whole point of the technology is that if it works it works. There’s NO such thing as it works BETTER. When it doesn’t work, anyone can hear it, no just those with golden audiophile ears. I don’t buy bargain basement gear, hell my Toslink cable is an Audioquest, but I buy it because of the bling, not because of the improved functionality.

Consider the same sources telling you they hear a a difference in the Toslink cable are the ones telling you they hear a different in the $1000 dollar Ethernet cable. The Ethernet cable that connect to a TCP/IP (error corrected) protocol router.

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Another example is the importance placed on the CD mechanism. The above and beyond lengths they claim to go in the mechanical side of the drive to make sure you get audiophile quality CD reads. The same CD reads that happen at single speed Redbook. Yet we all have CD drives in our computer that read (spin) at rate 20X or greater than the original Redbook audio spec. And they read that data bit perfect. Hell, I can rip a high quality FLAC with dB Poweramp at 15X speed using a $30 dollar USB connected CD ROM.

We have to as a community accept that some things really ARE snake oil. We may not care, but they are. In all things there are degrees of importance, and we all agree that good cables matter, but we are all still allowed to have different reasons why we prefer the bling. It is just lunacy though to say otherwise.

I would offer my services and rip a CD file using a $15 dollar cable and using a $150 USB cable and do an ABX comparison where you pick out 5 out of 5 correctly. Now remember, this is a RIP happening at 15X Redbook audio speed. So there would have to be a difference right?

EDIT: as a matter of fact, thinking through this, we can do this exersise as a community and see what we come up with.

One person (I’d be more than happy to volunteer) creates a rip of 5 songs. A/B/X comparison. So one example with a $15 dollar USB Cable, one example with a high end cable, and then one random example of either. So it would be in one folder, file A, file B and file X. It would be up to the member to listen and say which two files are identical and when tabulated we should have a clear picture whether it was recorded with the inferior quality USB cable or not, we should be able to pick the pair.

Do this with five songs, and we all report what we think we hear on the a thread. At the end of a month let’s say, the author of the test posts the correct answers.

Such fun.

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