I find the he 4xx’s soundstage and layering to be quite impressive it’s a very wide spacious presentation personally I go for that if I need air and space from a headphone
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Right now I only really listen to my HD6xx through a Yamaha RS202D stereo receiver. I’ve had a look at some Beyers in the past but the treble kind of scares me to be honest haha. I can deal with the AD700s but I’m not a fan of really sharp, piercing or sibilant treble. I had a pair of Vsonic GR07 IEMs which I believe have a similar V-shape and exaggerated treble. Overall I did enjoy the sound but the treble peaks were a bit too much for me and I had to sell them.
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Thanks for the info and the comparisons between the AD500x and K712 Pro. From what I’ve read/watched online, it looks like the K712 Pros are recommended and considered to be a good headphone to compliment the HD6xx/600/650. They also seem to provide the wider soundstage and air that I’m looking for.
Thanks, I’ll have a look into these as well.
That’s where matching them to a "warmer’"Dac/amp comes into play, you get detail without the scares lol.
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I love the 712 personally would own it by now if it wasn’t overpriced in this side of the world
Look at the dt 880 it’s pretty detailed and really not murder or anything it’s a very tasteful.about of treble that could really compliment a 6xx nicely
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That’s something I’d probably have to invest in, I would say the receiver that I use just now is pretty neutral.
I can get the K712 Pro here for £184 vs the DT880 600ohm or DT880 PRO 250ohm for £150. So the K712s aren’t too much more expensive. This being the case, would you still recommend looking at the DT880?
Also does anyone know the difference between the 880 and 880 PRO models?
i think the k712 is a little better than the beyer. i had the 880 600ohm and i felt treble was too high and it lacked body
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Pretty sure for the Beyer DTXX0 series “Pro” refers to the 250 ohm version. “Premium” refers to the home version which has slightly different physical styling to increase comfort and make it look more “homey.” For the 880, Premium edition is the 600 ohm version. The the 990 the premium can be 32 ohm or 600 ohm. There might be a 250 ohm 990 premium but I think it’s less common.
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There is a 880 pro & premium 600 ohm, so assuming they are the same impedance it’s mainly the clamp and cable
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Yes this seems to be the case. The Pro seems to be available in 250 ohm and the Premium is available in 32, 250 or 600 ohm.
Do you know if there any differences in terms of sound between the pro vs premium? Or just better to go for the premium for 600 ohm?
And would you recommend the 880s over the K712 Pros for a more open and spacious sound compared to the HD6xx?
From my experience there was not a sound difference, I would personally go for the premium
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OK thanks and 880 Premiums over the K712 Pros?
That would be my personal preference but both are solid picks. I think the Beyer’s have some extra refinement that the modern k712 don’t have, that being said some find the Beyer treble to be a bit much at times, but when you pair it with something like a monolith liquid spark or perhaps a magni 3+, then it is a bit more pleasurable. Also something to consider, is that they work well on a tube amp, and so do the 6xx, so in the future grabbing a tube amp might be something to try if you wanted to mix things up (which for the 6xx would add some soundstage and separation and reduce congestion a bit, but that being said the liquid spark or the 3+ would most likely also be an improvement over the receiver)
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how wide is the soundstage on the DT 880 600 ohm vs. the 6xx or the 600’s themselves?
A decent bit wider, the 600 is known for being pretty intimate, and the 650 is a bit wider than that (along with adding more low end to please those who wanted it), both are what I would consider intimate. The 880 600 ohm in comparison is pretty wide and spacious, where at times things can sound a bit claustrophobic on the 650 or 600 (but that can be remedied by a tube amp or a nice amp at times)
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Thanks M0N for that and the additional info on the soundstage between the 6xx and DT880s. And many thanks to you all for all of your suggestions. I now have a lot of thinking/research to do!
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That sort research is a whole lotta fun…and here’s welcoming your wallet to the rabbit hole lol.
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If you are happy with your HD6xx and looking for a side-grade, perhaps you may want to look at a new amp such as an OTL tube amp
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very good suggestion. I’d want moar headphones first tho…usually more affordable route to learn the flavors you like and don’t like.