I totally subscribe to your opinion, and I largely agree with what has been said.
In my opinion, since we already have headphones, music, games, and movies are getting the full blast, a cleanly constructed cable is sufficient compared to a $ 3 stripe. Sure, $ 30-50 is certainly not wrong as long as it is well constructed.
Meanwhile, you build the Chinese 40 $ cable with a lot of crap in it, I’ve already tried it.
What I would now pay attention to would be at least oxygen-free copper, a good and shielded insulation.Why is it simply because of all the radio frequencies such as WiFi and smartphone that matters.Whether you add gold, silver or rhodium is up to you, but one should say that it should be done correctly, otherwise you can throw the money out of the window.
If you really want to do it right, the first one starts with the main fuse and in the house, but since there are many in rental apartments, it is not that easy.
surely there would be a difference again if the rest also fits. I think since we are talking about headphones it is enough to set your limit up to $ 80 per cable. More is certainly not needed it definitely with another Dac, preamplifier or headphones. Maybe another headphone cable. My Denon Ah D7200 sounds a little better to me with a silver cable than with an oxygen-free copper cable. But I take it off the Acta subjectively. What I hear others may not do or better and everyone would have their opinion on it. For me it is enough if my wife listens to you to explain the differences or what it says where you find good. Most of the time we are always close together But she also says that she likes it better than that and that’s her subjective opinion. That’s life
During my car stereo days, back in the late 80’s and early 90’s, we used electronic crossovers directly to individual amplifiers each pushing dedicated speaker for sub bass, mid bass, mids, and lastly highs. From the amplifier direct to component speaker via nice thick wire and usually terminated by being soldered to speaker terminal. I still wonder why home hifi sticks to ancient art of passive crossovers, so much wasted power and resistance added…
This guy is about as dorky as it gets but he’s actually good at the details. Here’s a synopsis of our thread in one video. As we all agreed, spend money, don’t piss money away. No need for it.
he didn’t like my Goertz cables I guess lol
I think everyone can agree that cables can make a difference, but that it is all a matter of degree. There are so many variables in a component system, that knowing precisely what makes the difference is sometimes hard to tell.
I have personally noticed a much more audible difference with speaker cable than component interconnects. I would guess that the capacitance and resistance of a cable are big factors between “cable A” and “cable B” assuming they are both using quality materials with solid termination.
There is certainly a diminishing return on price/value, but that ratio is going to shift somewhat based on the individual’s hearing, component choices and resolving ability of the system. Some people will buy cables based on price, believing that the more you spend on a cable, the better it will sound. Up to a point, that may be true, but that point is in the range of a few hundred dollars rather than tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. My point is, there is a difference in sound quality between lamp cord and Kimber cables. If you can’t discern a difference, don’t worry about it-you just saved a couple hundred bucks. Don’t mistake your perception of price/value as absolute though. There is definitely a range.
I work at one of the largest wire and cable distributors in the world. We operate an independent lab to test wire and cable to see if it conforms to its specs and to compare the various products we sell or compete with. I can assure you that signal in/signal out for almost any type of wire can vary dramatically. That applies to both power cable and data cable; copper and fiber.
Bottom line: don’t be a fool and take out a mortgage to buy cable, but don’t assume that all cable is the same.
But what if I want to
U be U.
20 years ago I had coworkers that believed expensive boutique cables and interconnects made a difference… I would hear them talk over lunch on the very subject. At the time, I was putting together a step up from what I had stereo system… Curiosity, being naive… gullible ? I dove into Kimber for all my connections… Heck, I spent more than a third of what my components cost on cables. They looked really awesome… did they sound better… ??? I am a curious person… Switched each cable out, one at a time for standard well built cables… That night and day difference that was being talked about wasn’t there… if at all. I know… double blind tests… just saying. I left them in the system… the damage was done, but they looked cool as hell. Forward to today…totally different stereo components. I use the Amazon basics and Worlds Best interconnects and optical cables… build my own speaker cables from OFC in wall rated cable, nice banana’s, pretty sleeves, Y jacket and shrink tubing. They look good to me… actually better than the Kimber braid. So, yes… I am in the camp that believes that if a cable is constructed correctly it will perform as it should… I will not sit here an begrudge someone for going for the expensive cables… It can be for many reasons.
Thanks for sharing
Just wondering how high tier were the setups being discussed? I myself don’t think it’s worthwhile to get high end cables really at all unless you are super far in (which most people never get to)
I’m not sure about the science behind the actual differences but I can definitely understand wanting peace of mind knowing that you have the absolute best cable/connection transferring data between systems that are thousands of dollars. If someone can afford such expensive hardware then why settle with $15 dollar alliexpress cables. The price becomes negligible for some people. That’s just the psychological aspect but if there’s a provable tangible difference then even better, I would say.
I guess that is a partial point I am making… None of my systems would be even close to high tier, not shabby either…The cable marketing doesn’t care if you have a 150 dollar AV receiver or something at the other end of the spectrum. People get sucked in, that’s all they care about. I guess the question is… what is that point that cables and the equipment make a difference? Is that why some have that never ending pursuit? Money for return… Is a system or cables that are 10-20 times the cost of well built cables or a good system 10-20 times better? Or is it placebo, status… prestige. We know with cables, the number is skewed even more. I have been down the cable road… The problem is I did my research after the fact. There are peer reviewed double blind test that say proper cables are all you need. Some will question the gear that those test were run on to try to invalidate the tests. I just would like people to research and understand what may and may not be possible before they put big money down on something with high expectation of improving sound… My opinion and experience…Room treatments will yield better results with any tier system.
When your setup costs more then an apartment or house most likely, at least that’s where I have found it to matter. Otherwise just get something decent and everything is all good. I like amazon basics and the metabridge cable, nice stuff
That’s why my room is being designed around my speakers, my designer has been working with that to make sure it’s the best room possible for them
I’m just going to put this here.
I’m talking analog cables here. I have already a decently nice usb cable but the reason it’s special is because it separates the power and signal to avoid ground loops or noise, no bs claims or anything
M0N, this isn’t a suggestion for your situation. But as a general “good enough for 99% of setups” I’ve had good luck with “World’s Best Cables” on Amazon. Hyperbole aside, they make proper good cables- Neutrik and Amphenol connectors and Mogami ofc copper at good prices
I feel guilty but I love it.
They shouldn’t be used on cheap equipment because the locking RCA connectors could rip the whole chinesium connector out lol … would be pointless anyway because you probably couldn’t hear a different on cheap stuff…
I tested it between Oppo 203 and Rega Elex-R via StraightWire Soundstage (BiWire) on Harbeth Super HL5. I don’t think I can put the differences into words accurately, so I won’t try. But they were clearly more convincing than my WireWorld Luna 8. Even though I like the WireWorld connector and lower weight better and they dont look like a vintage hose to a shower head. The popular Amzaon Basic was almost more convincing than the WireWorld. And an ancient audioquest had much milder high frequencies.
I might try the Straight Wire Encore II and Kimber PBJ 3 RCA in the future.
The differences are minimal but it’s fun to fine-tune and I’d recommend everyone, even on a budget, to buy a different brand of cable for each new cable and play around.
I’ve looked into them, will consider
@M0N Clearly, your speakers are going to benefit from high performance cables. It would be a disservice to the BB6 to limit them in any way. I don’t know how far from your secret lair it is to high end audio shops, but the level of gear you are using deserves auditioning several different cables. Any shop worth their salt is going to work with you on that. Your system will resolve at a level that you are going to hear definite differences in your speaker cables.
My opinion on interconnects is that once you reach a level where you are not limited by poor or mediocre materials and have terminations that make the most solid connections possible, the audible differences start to fall away.
I think your choice of component interconnects will depend a little on the necessary lengths and again, if you can audition some different cables, it is probably wise. If you cant tell a difference, you could save yourself huge money and if you can hear a difference (I think you will), you will have a reference point.
I am actually already set with the pmc speakers, this is for my living room setup with the harbeths
Yes I plan on spending only a bit on interconnects, just something high quality and good, and call it a day, speaker cables are where I will be spending more
Good call!