I disagree with your assessment but respect that we don’t see eye to eye on this matter, however there are an abundance of people online praising this software already, and second I feel it shouldn’t be so hard to learn to use at the price, which I consider high. Thank you for your input just the same, I am still trying it out just incase I change my mind for the record.
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I don’t believe I was addressing Roon radio in my post at all, but rather how it choses to play tracks in a playlist. I prefer to be able to order my lists how I want to listen to them and Roon is disagreeable at this IMO. I feel Roon is “bad” because this entry experience has been very negative for me and I don’t feel like I should have to spend a month learning how to do something it takes ten seconds to learn to do on every other player in the world. I am happy if you like it, please continue to use it, it seems unlikely i will however.
Roon works, I use it but like i said, the learning curve is steep for some of us. For example I still haven’t figured out how to use the back-up feature or import my own music files into the system minus the files I have on my music server. It works exceptionally well to integrate Quboz and Tidal in one place. On my laptop I prefer VLC to listen to my own music files.
If you are not paying for Quboz and Tidal what are you trying to get out of Roon? Also which other free or paid services is able to incorporate and give you the functions of paid streaming services combined. I am always happy to learn more, this is why we have the forums.
Have you asked for assistance on the Roon forum, the folks there are very technically knowledgeable and have patience with dinosaurs like myself.
Firstly thank you for acknowledging that I can dislike it for reason other than just being ignorant. Over all I have found your response to be more help than other objecting post and more likely to help me find something useful about Roon so thank you.
Is that why the title of the thread is roon sucks sorry?
There’s a whole Roon forum to ask questions and there’s a pretty active Roon thread here where if you had specific questions you could have asked for help on. Your original post was a rant on how it sucks and you’ve already got your mind made up… so what are you looking for? Someone to plead with you to keep it?
Come on man, the back pedal is not hiding anything.
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Firstly, I still think it sucks I was just thanking them for being civil while offering their point of view, second I don’t have to justify how I feel about a product to you just cause you disagree I am allowed to dislike whatever I wish, also the last sentence of my first post was how I accept I may be uneducated or misinformed on Roon, you have simply chosen to be “personally offended” and I admit this was a rant post which is why it is not in a different section, I am just trying to respond to people I happen to disagree with respectfully.
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Again, is that why you titled the thread Roon Sucks, Sorry
Anyway since I’m such a nice guy, I just did a little bit of leg work for you.
Roon allows you to either 1) import a playlist locally or in the case of Qobuz which is what I use to stream, 2) will show you the Qobuz playlist. Exactly in the order It was created in Qobuz.
A lot of the things you’re noting are just because you’re not familiar with the way Roon works, for example your item 4) if you right click a file you can add just that file to play. or you can queue it, but if you just click it, it will play everything after that file or playlist.
You’re welcome. 
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It does not do this for me in the playlist I imported from tidal, it starts with the song I clicked and adds a random selection of songs to be played from the playlist, or perhaps in the order they were saved in that may be the case, but not in the order in which I am viewing the list.
This may in fact be true but I want to play the most recently added songs first not the first ones added IE flip the list to the way I normally play it not the order the songs were added the list in and Roon doesnt seem to allow this (at least I could not find anything about it). In fact my understanding of how Roon decides the “age” of a track may be the core of my problem.
Yeah, because once again, its not a statement at a person but a piece of software you are seemly personally attached to, do you personally develop Roon? Is that why you are so offended? At any rate if you are offended you can chose to ignore me, it doesn’t stop you from enjoying what you like.
Also you told me I had made up my mind just based the title, if you believed that then you must have come in the thread simply to be confrontational with nothing constructive to add? Honestly you seem more invested in trying to shame me into silence than in convincing me I am wrong, so what is your motivation?
Anyway sorry you took this as a personal attack, I apologize for any stress this causes you and hope you can have a good rest of your day.
1.) It’s main case is for those who have local files.
2.) All you have to do is save a local copy. You can manipulate that in Roon independent from your Tidal playlists. You can also hide those playlists. You’re not taking the time to learn to manage it correctly.
3.) Not sure what you’re doing wrong here. I literally just clicked, “Play Now” in a given playlist and it queues up in the exact order of the playlist.
4.) This is been explained already. Again, you not managing correctly and taking the time to learn the function.
5.) Either I’m missing something or you’re 100% right on this one. My experience as well. However, sorting is drag and drop. It’s so easy I don’t understand any gripes here.
6.) I mean, It has the info I like, but whatever. I like chocolate ice cream?
7.) See answer to 6 doesn’t really deserve a response.
Personally, I wouldn’t wanna get by without Roon. I like being able to toggle between my speaker setup and my desktop a and desktop b setups with a few clickon my my pc. I can stream music to the living room or kitchen from a tablet. The integration with 3rd party services isn’t perfect, but I’m happy we get the functionality we get when there’s no motivation for Tidal, Qubuz or any of these services to cooperate.
Just because I find a lot of uses for it and find it invaluable in my setup doesn’t make it the best thing ever. Just because you struggle to use the software and aren’t able/willing to find real solution to your user “problems” doesn’t mean the software sucks.
This thread should just be locked/deleted due the immature/inflammatory title (especially based on such ignorance).
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I agree with this
No idea, still trying to figure it out. It does not work for me this way however.
This was with playlist imported from Tidal, I am making playlist with local files in Roon now to try out.
That’s cool that you’re giving it a try. Creating a playlist with local files is cool, but what I mean is creating a “Roon” copy of your “Tidal” playlist. It’s still your Tidal files though. For example:
Look at it like this. You may bounce between Tidal or Qubuz or another service Roon is compatible with, but you save a local copy to Roon as your home base for safe keeping.
Anyway, that’s the way I look at it. Then I hide the shared ones (from Tidal) so I just see my Roon playlists.
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It’s funny because sadly the more you’re using it the more you’re getting turned off. The more you’re making me research playlists, the more I’m liking Roon and wanting to get into using playlists more.
To each their own I guess but think of it as a Paradox game (complicated strategy game). You have to put in the time to learn but after that you get hours of enjoyment. Roon’s kinda like that.
Looks like you can toggle off some of the options you don’t like (that were confusing/irritating you).
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Are you a Roon fan boy
:theface:
I like to keep things simple.
I have used Jriver Music Center for years and it too, took some time to find where the settings were and how they interacted etc.
I ventured into Foobar 2000 several times and being freeware it took several attempts to learn where the similar settings were and how to set it up for bitperfect playback.
My songs are local ripped files. I look at the ease of use in finding what I want to listen to at the best quality as the number one attribute.
Before lossless formats came on the scene I only used a CD transport.
Recently I tried Roon, and Qobuz etc…I did not think Roon was worth the money for “Me”…I dont usually like streaming and only listen with TOTL headphones in one location. As a purist I hate stuff that mucks with the “bits”…
Qobuz does allow me to find stuff and try new stuff or different versions of the same material. Then I usually buy the cd, rip it and back to Jriver or Foobar.
I often feel with products that integrate or have several access points that I loose control and things get at varying levels of “currency”…I hate this.
For me in a purist listening environment Foobar 2000 is now “easy” to use…as well as Jriver.
But I can totally understand folks liking Roon etc…and for some its great and others it “sucks”…
Its all good…
Alex
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For OP, there should be a pen next to the title. Click that and change it to something like “My Roon Expererience”.
Deleting info/experiences like this will only cause it to happen to the next guy.
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Agreed. No reason to delete the thread imo, bjf also, the title isn’t realy accurate
Roon is pretty great, sorry. I’m an unabashed fanboy…idc. Its a superior piece of software and one that doesn’t have an honest competitor. It does take real time to figure it all out though. Its not a piece of software you use for a month, think you have it all figured out, and you’re good to go.
It is an ever evolving piece of software that seamlessly gets better with every upgrade, but with that upgrade comes some new things you need to learn. I’ve been one of the first adopters of the software ever in the United States (signed up on Day 1).
Addressing a few of your concerns
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If you just stream using TIDAL, idk why you even need ROON. It makes no sense…just use TIDAL and TIDAL CONNECT to do what ROON does. ROON is really for users that want to integrate local files and streaming services.
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Yes, because you connected the services. If you deleted it from TIDAL, it’d no longer show up in ROON and vice versa. You could HIDE the playlist from ROON and it won’t delete from TIDAL.
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Fix the setting.
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You need to turn off ROON Radio.
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This is not true. idk what you are seeing on your end, but thats just not how it works. I sort by Date Added all of the time and have not one time seen something out of place.
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There are some extensions that are out there, but I never use them. I like the front page, so, ymmv.
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It also works with Qobuz. Tidal and Qobuz are the companies that allow ROON backdoor access. Spotify, Amazon, and Apple Music are too big of companies to give a fvck what a little company like ROON does so they don’t allow backdoor access. However, as ROON becomes integrated into more and more products, the liklihood of the big companies offering ROON some access to integrate increases. idk when, but at some point ROON will likely get some backdoor access to these companies.
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I try to keep streaming and CDs easy. I use the bluesound software. It was free. It came on the bluesound vault gen1. It has Tidal, Spotify, Qobuz, Amazon and a list of others. It also has 2TB of storage for CDs. You pop in the disc it rips it to the drive and adds metadata. I can creat playlists from discs and music services. Its by no means perfect. The price was right and its super simple for newbs and little old men. Im both.
I have absolutely NO use for Roon at this point in time as I prefer to keep things simple. For my use case it doesn’t make any sense. Who knows what will happen down the line, but for now, no.