I mean personally I have heard some really excellent headphones and even if something has good detail, fr, detail, dynamics, timbre, etc, and there are still some headphones that don’t have as good of spatial recreation. Personally I think for what I have atm my shang does the best with this, but it’s also not as proficient as my warwick technicality wise, so I would say some headphones just have better staging capabilities by design. Of course as you say the entire chain is important to achieve this
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Crinacle’s FR graph for the Auteur teak is a beautiful thing.
Probably worthy of a thread of its own. Think Zach addresses this somewhere on his web site and I remember a discussion on this forum. But I suspect it’s more the Auteur’s biocellulose driver material that accounts for most of the naturalness of the timbre.
The biodynamics have pretty natural bass and midrange, nice stuff
it is? why is that?
Maybe cause its made of biomatter and not plastic or metal. I wonder what the tanks are like where they grow them.
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No elevation in the bass but no drop-off either. Textbook perfect slight rise in the mids plus perfect upper-mids shape and height. Treble is a bit brighter than textbook but should sound clear rather than piercing.
Interesting. I didn’t realize biocellulose is a different thing than regular cellulose but Wikipedia says it is.
you can get cellulose from anything. apparently most plants emit it
I think of cellulose as another way of saying plant fiber. It’s a primary component of paper and therefore the traditional material for speaker cones. Biocellulose is cellulose that is produced by bacteria and perhaps has a more random fibre matting structure or something. But the point seems to be if you want to get a natural timbre, the easiest way is to use a natural material. But of course other materials have other acoustic strengths.
Case in point. Zach went with beryllium to do the flagship detail thing with the Vérité. But I’ve heard it criticized as having a metallic timbre, while you raised no such issue with the Auteur.
Yeah I would say the verite isn’t the most natural, you can really tell with the beryllium drivers (the verite sounds kinda close to the utopia at times)
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Damn now we audiophiles with Beryllium or Cellulose intolerance? lmao.
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Could be. Wood is a common material for the resonating areas of many instruments, afterall. Brass instruments being the exception.
Yep, I’m sure I recall you having posted that before. And pretty sure Resolve Reviews has said that too (probably got it by lurking here, grin). I certainly wouldn’t know from personal experience.
Since this is still very much on topic, what frequency range(s) would you say you’d have to notch out to get rid of this beryllium thing?
Typically I would most likely say around the 5-7k range but it depends on the headphone
Edit: to clarify I mean that is typically the range that sounds the most unnatural to me, it would again depend on the headphone for which would be the offending range
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Whoa! Wasn’t expecting it to be that low. Was thinking it would be up above 10k so my dilapidated old ears would naturally filter it out. Good to know.
Interesting – the Utopia and both the open and closed Vérités show a pretty sharp peak right at 6k … that old HD 800 bug-a-boo.
It’s fine to my ears without eq, but it just doesn’t sound natural at times. It is well controlled though
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Aye eq…man people need to research/demo their sets more, that would cut down on that eq malarky and just chill and listen to their music and stress a little less 
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I don’t eq any of my headphones except a few for studio usage, but otherwise I don’t eq lol
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Oh Metal be like with his Harman…
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Etymotic ER4 SR IEMs. Very accurate and neutral, what you hear is the signal they receive.
If you agree with diffuse field that is lol