šŸ”¶ 7HZ Timeless Planar

Well that all depends on what you’re looking for in a new set and what other sets you already have…I’d say the Timeless is a warmer tuned P1 with better bass/sub bass but doesn’t have the same level of detail retrieval in the upper frequencies. I’m not the most knowledgeable when it comes to headphones but maybe it’s a bit like Audeze v’s Hifiman…Audeze being a bit darker and Hifiman more forward and brighter :man_shrugging:…so it’s a personal preference thing really but if I could keep just one set I’d have the P1’s just because I have more expensive sets that do what the Timeless does better imho…the P1 fills a niche in my IEM collection and will never leave…(neither will the Timeless tbh lol)

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I know id like to read them compared to Timeless. But if you dont write anything about that, pm me short impressions if its no trouble.

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I also think the timeless is better than the tea’s

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I am thinking about doing a 3 way. I am hesitant to include the timeless simply because I am massively biased toward it. It’s basically one of my three pedestal headphones. The hp-2, the zen and the timeless.

But, one of my goals with doing these is describing what the differences are to me. And then stating a preference.

Maybe good practice? :wink:

I also may do a companion video. I finally figured out a video methodology that I wouldn’t mind producing. We’ll see.

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Forget about the timeless for a week or so, and use tea exclusively. Write down your impressions of the tea at the end of the week in one last day listen. And then do a head to head. Id do it that way to minimize effect of being used to a type of sound(timeless in this case) and minimize possible bias.

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But after this methodology you might become biased towards the set you used exclusively for a week…? hmmmm :stuck_out_tongue: :slight_smile:

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No choice. Timeless replacement isn’t here yet. Haven’t had it for at least 4 or 5 days. Zen is mailed out for repair.

Tea is getting a really good run no matter what. I don’t want to listen to the dusk when I have a new toy. And my hp-2 isn’t practical for a lot of my head time at the moment.

I do still have the ear pressure issue to deal with on the teas and general irritation. The hp-2 will be used when the tea becomes unusable.

It will be played 24/7 for the coming days.

PURELY based on the demo I would never buy any of these, and I thoroughly realize I might want them all if I had them in my ears… But if I had to buy based on the demo then I would save my $1 and buy ice cream instead. The sound of all IEMs reminded me of holding a $25 mono transistor to my ear 40 years ago. Flat. Totally flat. Now, the thing that I hadn’t expected is that I loved the palpable, 3D sound of the voices with much more texture on the HD650 so much, except for the last track. But in general I found them far too boomy in the demo, and they had too much of what the MEST missed: Focus on the rhythm section. It’s like songs played on the MEST were sneakily recorded after they told the rhythm section the recordings were done for the day and sent them home already.

This probably isn’t a good way to choose, but it’s a great tool to have Dan explain how he feels about them. I’ve seen some of his other videos and he’s really doing an excellent job. But I would consider the demo a tool for him only and focus on his explanations instead of on the sound, I think.

Tnx for sharing…

drftr

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Seems my timeless is arriving on my country very soon. The plot thickens. Let the customs game begin :joy:

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Make sure they don’t get to listen to it or it may never arrive…

drftr

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I am trying hard to grasp how a demo of an earphone listened to with another earphone could be in any way useful.

And then he tells to listen to it on an iphone speaker which is even stranger to me. Why don’t I print the graph and make paper balls out of it and stick it into my ears instead. I’m confused.

The delivery company has been bouncing my package around my country since the package landed, with an apology that it went to the wrong depot…hoping for tomorrow!

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That’s the reason my Teas aren’t going anywhere for demos :rofl:

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Maybe it’s possible with reference level gear?

If someone told me ā€œthese earphones are great, check out this iphone speaker playback of how they soundā€, I would assume that the earphones sound worse than the iphone speaker.

Keep in mind demos are useless for anything other than direct comparison on the macro-level, e.g., ā€œoh, IEM A is warmer than IEM B since its treble is less forward using this same song and same micā€

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I really like the idea of the demos that Dan is doing and all the effort he has put into, but even the direct comparison on the macro level (@darkgod5) falls flat in dan’s demos (even tough it may be generally true for such demos).

First the Aria recorded far more terrible in comparison to the other gear and now the timeless (which I haven’t listened to IRL so far).

Actually I have been inspired by dan’s demos to try to do some of my own recordings with a 3d printed coupler and a regular inline headset mic with mixed success. So far I couldn’t get a good frequency response for the mic/coupler setup, so highs and lows are extremly obscured in my recordings, but I am still working on that. I took the inverted frequency response of the mic/coupler setup, put it into an equalizer and was amazed by how close I could make the recording resemble the original in terms of tonality. Didn’t expect that. Also my 0$ setup, I’d argue, gives much more comparatively consistent results then Dan’s setup.

Long story short: I like what Dan (and zpolt) are doing, but I think their method/gear is lacking.

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Any recording on a video for demo will be useless: you have all the chain that will modify it: the mic and gear if course, the YouTube compression, your own player, windows mixer, your DAC, your earphones,… Too many unknown variables.

I recognize the effort, and it seems that a demand exists for demos (I can relate to that: I can’t really demo gear in my country, especially for chifi products), but yeah, doing that like this can’t be really useful except for entertainment purpose.

Such methods are useful if you want to compare the tuning of different IEMs. It’s possible to discern the balance between treble and bass.

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The chain will ideally modify all tested headphones equally, so as Plex_Flex and darkgod5 already said, there is value in these kind of things.

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The timeless is gonna be my endgame for some time. I’m gonna EQ it till it fits the bggar response curve perfectly.

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Same here. Sound awesome with DTR1+

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