Amplifier suggestions for Falcon LS3/5A

Update; due to various crazy circumstances I had to work with Falcon in England directly to fix a freakish tweeter issue I was having. This is an excellent manufacturer and they stand 100% behind their products and their workmanship. The engineers there diagnosed my problem and sent all brand new, matched parts to my dealer so that we could repair my speakers. Unfortunately this step required a cross country trip for my speakers and I had the opportunity to go along. While at my dealer, who by the way are the MOST awesome guys I have had the pleasure of dealing with, they bent over backwards to take care of me, http://tubeaudio.com/ (Shameless plug) we discussed amplifiers that would work well with these little cubes of bliss and tried several styles and brands out. Long story short, I’m flying home hauling more boxes than i left with. https://www.sugdenaudio.com/fpa-4-power-amplifier?lightbox=dataItem-iefjda1k I was all set to purchase a Line Magnetic or Luxman tube amp, despite the fact that deep down I really did not want to go thru the further expense of tube rolling, (I’m going broke falling in love with sweet, exotic to me gear) when the words, why don’t you use the same amps they have in their racks at the falcon factory were uttered… What…? Why have you been hiding this from me? Well, since I’m using these near field the guys did not want to sell me a class A amp that produces extreme amounts of heat. I’ll add more air conditioning, i said, now gimme! That they did, and I purchased a Sugden audio, FPA-4 class A 25x25 watt amp. Did I mention how amazing Glenn at Arizona Hi-Fi is? If you are ever in Phoenix go search them out, this place is a gem and Glenn and Bill are stupendous individuals to deal with. Eventually, I hope to make it back home so I can tear down my desk and set it up again with new to me exciting bits and pieces that reproduce sound. There’s so much more to this story, and that’s as short a i can make it.
Thank’s for letting me share my joy and excitement.

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Reply and update to my own thread, pictures of the temporary set-up w/ new equipment. I’m not happy w/how i’m taking up real estate currently but i’m getting there as far as sound is concerned. Source and dac upgrade coming next, maybe…

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@Nick_Mimi hi Nick, how has the experience been so far? The burr walnut falcon looks absolutely amazing

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Oh what a fantastic, fun, eye-opening and expensive journey this has been :hugs: @Tan_Nian_Hua I must first openly admit that i constantly swap equipment, and seldom keep the same exact set-up in place for longer than a few weeks. Also i have finally figured out how to attach multiple different pieces in line with each other so that i can vary sources, pre-amplifiers, amplifiers and speaker combinations at my whims. I have been “training my ear”, to better understand the nuances found in equipment and sound quality but ultimately my own litmus test for enjoyment is if if find relaxation and most importantly a release of my stress (ie. nap :sleeping:) while enjoying a music listening session.
With that said, i have definite preferences on equipment for the Falcons. These are 15Ohm speakers w/ an 83db rated sensitivity which has required patience, expense and time to find synergistic combinations.
My favorite combination in near field is, Exogal Comet+ DAC > Decware CSP2 pre-amp, > Sugden FPA-4 amp > Falcon’s w/ REL sub. The Sugden amp is NOT affected by the Falcons impedence and works best with them. The CSP2 allows me to perfectly adjust gain because it has that feature and the combination of tube and class A feed provide an SQ which I personally enjoy very much. The sound I get is rich, detailed, warm, with a deep rich low end, very liquid midrange, great soundstage, imaging, depth and highs that are a non-fatiguing, old school hi-fi sound, I can just kick back and close my eyes to. The volume levels are low to middle ground, best suited for small and medium rooms at best IMO. There are many reviews on these speakers across the internet and folks all seem to have varied opinions on what these speakers do best or not, I enjoy owning them for both their beauty and old school sound. There are plenty of “better” speakers available at this price range but they are not these and that makes them special to me. Thank you for giving me yet another opportunity to speak about some of my favorite toys :heart_eyes: :+1:

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You cant go wrong with a Class A Sugden and a 3/5 BBC.

The best speaker is always the one you love the sound of. More details are of no use to me if listening is exhausting.

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love hearing more things about the falcon ls3/5a as well, especially since you are so passionate about it. What other amps have you tried with falcon ls3/5a? I own a walnut (not burr) version of it but was thinking of trying new amps with it. I am currently using hegel rost with it and I don’t think they are really great fit with one another.

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Take a quick peek at my profile to see some of the equipment I have in my stable. In all honesty the Sugden is really the only amplifier I can say performs exceptionally well and provides wonderful synergy with my Falcons. The other amplifiers work and some sound better than others they just don’t click well though and it can be heard in the speakers if you have a reference point of judgement for them which I did from the dealer.
A tube amp with a 16 Ωhm tap will offer optimal performance, i have heard them played on a Line Magnetic and Luxman amplifier both which were complimentary to the speakers. Many a vintage amplifier should also perform well and the abilities of the amplifier should complement the sound signature these are known for. Hope all this information is of assistance to you. :+1:

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My hands on experience is based more on the bigger classic BBCs, such as Graham LS6, 5/9 and 5/5.
For the more modern sounding BBC I have experience with the HL5+ and 30.1

+1 for Luxmann and Sugden: works gerat with classic and modern BBCs
Rega works well with both types but I´m still waiting for delivery of the new Aethos
Audionet is a greman brand and works amazing with classic BBCs but absolutly hates the newer ones
NAT would be endgame … nerver heard anything better on a classic BBC

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unfortunately your profile is hidden : (

Try it now, there is no reason for it to be hidden, you should be able to see it now though.

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which rega have you tried it with? heard good things, but not sure if the cheapest rega brio will have enough juice for 15ohm ls3/5a.

graham ls6 is awesome. i own one as well.

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I would go with the Elex-R, it sounds a lot better than the Brio. (Edit: I only tried 9ohm Chatwell 3/5) I really love it and still use it instead of some of my way more expansive Amplifiers. I was able to get my hands on a preproduction Rega Aethos for a Day and ordered one immediately. But due to the whole pandemic, it still hasn’t even been shipped.
Just remember to not use a Rega amp with very low impedance speakers. And Rega amplifiers will get very hot → put the on top of the rack. They also make a loud pop when switching on, but this is normal due to the simplistic design.

Congratulations! I love my LS6 to death. It’s a miracle how they manage to sound like a big 5/9. The Elex-R gives you a very enjoyable experience with the LS6. But to get the full dynamic potential out of them you need at least a very stable 100watt into 8ohm. They need more power than a 5/9 but scale the same way with better amplifiers.

I can access it.

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from what I read, rega amps are on the brighter side. It is so weird considering that rega, a bright amp, pairs well with BBC speakers while on the other spectrum, slow warm tube amps like sugden also pairs well.

I own a modern variant, Harbeth C7ES-3, and used it on both SS and tube amp. I really feel like BBC shine so much with tube amps. I currently have a Line Magnetic with KT88s and desperately want one in the future with 300b and 805/845s.

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Regas are not dark in sound, right. But they are also not bright in sound. What distinguishes them from many other amplifiers in this price range is that they sound very true to the source. With a bright DAC and bad cables the Rega will therefore sound bright. I would describe the sound as fast and mid-forward. A rega sometimes leaves details aside to make it sound smoother. The details are there, but you are not forced to listen to them with full attention.

sugden are Class A transistor

Yes and no.
It always depends on which qualities of a system you personally value. Especially the more traditional big BBC from Rogers or Graham can develop other good qualities with transistor amplifiers. Also you always have to compare in the same price range and not every amplifier fits every speaker. My Audionet sounds beautiful on traditional BBCs but too forward with Harbeth. I think Harbeth generally just like tubes more than other BBCs.

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Thanks for the anecdotal evidence and clarification. Like anything else, we can safely assume that most things are case-by-case. That’s why at-home auditions are so important.

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@Nick_Mimi it appears you certainly did eat your words lol. This thread has a ton of good suggestions and experience so thanks for pointing it out!

I may end up eating my words as well but I’m somewhat confident the gear I have will at least give me a few flavours and good enough quality as to not embarass myself. I use tidal quite a bit and have a modest collection of FLAC files. I have a Denafrips Pontus I’ll be putting in the room (hoping they ship that soon) and a bifrost 2 and ares ii as well if needed I can move from my from desk. M0N mentions parasound right out of the gate here which gives me confidence in my a23+ and a Yamaha A-S2100 as well to try.

So really I’m hoping for a much more uneventful experience here lol. Your passion for these little speakers really comes through in your posts as well. Really awesome to see because that’s the whole point :+1:

I’m pretty sure I’ll be starting this journey with an old set of rogers in decent condition. Not the gold tag but I figure it’s a good place to start. Honestly really love the thought of the p3esr as well but we will see.

I’m not a mod but @M0N I feel like I highjacked that other thread so I’ll respond over here going forward. If you feel like moving some of the back and forth from over there to here I’ll leave that to your discretion.

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I know your equipment, you will enjoy them. Just remember they are small speakers and as such don’t push them too hard. Let them break in for few days Just playing at low volume and then enjoy them. Good luck with whatever you choose.

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Has anyone had any experience with pairing a Enleum Amplifier with the Falcon?

I’m writing this in 2022, October 18. In 2020 I wanted to purchase ‘a sibling’ of these Falcons, the Sterling Broadcast LS3/5a v3. For bass I tried addition of the AB2 bass stands (more versatile than the original Rogers AB1). All sounded very sweet with the Moon amplifier from Norway.
During the listening session I asked the dealer to hook up the LS3/6 (big brother and a decendant of Spendor SB1; this one redesigned by Spencer and Dorothy’s son and officially BBC certified).
This solved my bass problem and left me speechless. The sound was much bigger and still very natural. The character of the LS3/5 but much more mature and with much bigger range. But, still usable as nearfiel monitors…
For amplifcation I use (for neutrality’s sake) the Cambridge Audio Azur 851A. The LS3/6 could use a bigger amplifier, but I believe that it would also be a perfectly match for the Falcon LS3/5 speakers. Much more affordable than some of the examples mentioned above.