Cable changes sound, and if you cannot hear it, it’s OK just don’t be a “Know it all person”. 2 years ago, I shared a video on my channel questioning this cable thing; now that I have used ~20 off-the-shelf cables, it’s clear as night and day that they do make the change.
Now, why all of the big reviewers are saying “Cable doesn’t matter” is questionable. I always believe I have worse hearing than someone like HBB or MRS. So it’s not about skill; it’s about something bigger that I don’t know (in my head), I guess. EQ can change sound for free & better - Yes, I also believe that. Cables are unnecessarily expensive; yes, they almost steal in daylight if you calculate the margin. But does all this mean that cable doesn’t matter?
Now I can see why most people don’t believe in cables, It’s either of the two things 1) Getting easy validation 2) Not enough Technical Data/Info
It’s way to easy to say “Cable don’t do shit”, because thousands of followers will agree with you who haven’t ABed in a proper environment. On the other side, saying Cables do matter will make you face these big names in audio, which you might want to avoid 'cause this is a hobby.
There are 100 ways one can prove either of those statements as true. Because no one knows the ultimate truth, and everything is a hypothesis. So it’s easier to just ignore the opposite believer than find out “why”. LOL! Even I believe in cables and I am always trying to prove me wrong every time, that will save me a lot of money.
Whatever it is, cable makes a change. Now, does this mean every IEM changes sound with every cable? Is it always an upgrade? No.
& Get this thing straight, when I was not into reviewing - I always recommended what I bought. To this day, I love my Olina. Why? Is it that good? No. Because I had a bias for my money and anyhow I wanted to make that purchase justifiable, which tricked me into believing that Olina is better than the most, even though every person I knew had a bad taste with them.
I don’t really mind talking about my less then optimal buys. I don’t have any problem laughing at myself, or other shaking their heads at me😅. I think we get less afraid of this with age😊
I don’t hear difference between cables, but I would never say you are wrong when you say you do😊. I don’t feel any need to convince people I am right😂, and can’t really understand people that do that. I think Audio Amigo’s video about the Ruyi Rod cable proves that there is differences. That cable have very high impedance, and I believe all people would hear the difference on hybrid IEM’s at least. After that I believe there is a sliding scale for everyone until they can’t hear any differences anymore.
Yeah Exactly, decent discussion / debate is always welcomed.
“Clown” / “Puppet” these words have no need in the conversation. I was once reviewing 7-8 cables from a company , and I found no difference & skipped them. Friends who reviewed them and found difference, I never called them “Clown for the Company”.
Now it is necessary to have opposing statement , otherwise “Snake Oils” would cover us from head to toe. But consideration towards any opinion is what we need at the basic.
The topic is the ridiculous claims and margins. Impedance/resistance can be measured and it’s impact on tuning can also be measured.
The Cable industry is a shameless hustle.
It has nothing to do with changes. It has everything to do with marketing and margins.
You honor me, sir. I’m right in the middle (I’ll be 40 in ~a week and a half), and I’m just a guy that’s been around and worn a lot of hats. I try to keep an open mind and learn from my experiences.
I also got the Ruyi Rod and had the same experience (personally measured mine @ 15.5 ohms with a multimeter) and while I can confirm that it makes differences with hybrids that are affected unevenly by impedence curves, I also ran it on STORM which has FLAT tech to negate impedence changes and I can confirm that between the stock Mira 2W (~0.5 ohm measured) and the Ruyi Rod (15.5 ohm), all the cable did was make STORM even harder to drive. I’m in the camp of “we know that impedence is the only measurable difference” and it only affects aforementioned hybrids. I have never experienced a difference with materials, geometries, anything like that so long as the cable was wired correctly and it was in the “1/8th impedence” rule. That being said, I still buy cables for comfort or aesthetic reasons and if someone else swears up and down about hearing a difference, that’s between them, their ears and their wallet. I am a firm believer in the power of placebo so if it makes them happy, keep on truckin’. I honestly think that tips and even mood will trump anything a properly constructed cable does, and that there’s so many variables that affect our listening that we can never truly measure everything so it’s okay to lean into subjectives when it comes to experience and enjoyment. That said, anyone trying to beat everyone over the head as an absolutist in either camp is pursuing a fool’s errand IMO.
man you are one of the OG, and said it better than I ever could. I do belive that cables don’t chage sound. Now if some very intelegent guy says they do chage sound… ya sure belive what you do, just don’t rec
ok ok It was on me to call cable sniffers clown, you are spending your own money in that, I’ve no right to call someone like that, Sorry. Like Crin said, If you belive you get to spend more.
I’ve seen A lotta people do that though, it’s always improvement. And as far as I remember I wasn’t calling you out.
Tf it has to do with TOUR GROUPS? I didnt get your point. Olina was better than most $100 iem when it launched. I still have 2 of em.
no no don’t say things like that, companies will get hurt.
@Argha I also wanna know
edit - The specific reason why I don’t belive cable matters was this, if the iem’s internal wiring isn’t changing how tf a $1000 cable gonna help?
Thank God I never have to deal with that.
“ohh, don’t say negative things , only Say Constructive Criticism”
“compare in the similar price catagory with similar driver count, 1 1DD vs 1DD+3BA… no, no no”
“Dont compare supernova with Studio4… one is far cheaper and the driver count isn’t similar”
YA fk off with that… Tour groups… Hell no.
If I wanna Compare my Punch with Origin or with Arcadia I will, cause I’ve paid for all sets… Only thing I need to Thank is my wallet
That’s the problem, not that I am spending my money. I am encouraging people to spend their money. Belief VS Disbelief was always in Audio so I don’t have a problem with that. It’s that if I don’t believe in something / if I haven’t experienced something - why would I debate with people in a thread full of Cable-Non Believers ? ( even though I know you personally and I could’ve solved it in our DM also ).I am sure of a thing and I want to correct what I think is not OK ( Dissing cable believers ). Charge cable makers, why their cable are so expensive ? I don’t have a problem. I have a problem that people call cable believers “Clown”.
I don’t like cable rolling, yet I find difference in ‘some’ instances.
I know dude, you’re a brother to me. I recently exited the “Discord Group” for this same reason.
Because BIAS exist everywhere, it can be small like “Justification of your own spending” / massive “Fake reviews”. I think “Stance” is what matters. At the end people will eventually know if you are fake or not.
100% this is a great debate & I want to be included in this, reason ? I don’t know it all. I am still learning and I am open to break my beliefs. Which is still not enough to discard my belief in some Cables. We are talking about “Real World Experience” VS “Science Behind It”.
Sounds like you’ve had a bad experience with tour groups No one’s holding anyone back from these kinds of comparisons in the group I’m a part of (audiogeek EU). My experience: my wallet, more bias (love my Punch too )
% Unless I’ve read/seen their reviews for years or have personally met them then…
No one’s holding anyone back from these kinds of comparisons in the group I’m a part of (audiogeek EU). My experience: my wallet, more bias 
(love my Punch too 
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