Canuck Audioholics Anonymous CAA Reviews & Fun Banter

Yes, but if for the damage control they decided to go for full refund route the scale of the problem was probably really high (so any kind of rational sampling should catch it).
The truth is that setting up procedures and performing QC is seen always as direct cost affecting the margin with only indirect benefit. In this scenario it would most likely turn out that cost of QC could have been a magnitude lower than cost of the damage control, but that is just because it was caught in the act.

Probably there were dozen other similar situations in the past with plenty of manufacturers that went under the radar, so the leverage was on side of just pure cutting costs (as no one can see that), but because of guys like Hi Fri and Tony are here on watch now the tide may be changing in direction benefiting customers (in fact maybe not their wallets) :slight_smile:

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I can see both sides of it, where TANGZU was taking the bet that QC was going to be cheaper than (and work out versus) QA, but if the entire first batch of Encounter are compromised, potentially giving out that many of their next budget set and earths is going to hurt on the back side

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The Zietan Wu has been plaged with oxidized cables, top plates coming off and nozels chipping. Overall Tangzu QC leaves lots be desired.

Thats why I dont really want a budget IEM and some ear tips in lue of a properly tuned Encounter that I paid for.

My $0.02

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What do you mean by QC - handling complaints? But nevertheless - I think we would all as customers benefit from this fuck up in the long run, as they (manufacturers) would not be able to get away with a crap like that any longer as the awareness of the community grows very fast :mag:

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What I mean is, Quality Assurance (QA) being the work done before the product ships out (the stuff like testing the sets for imbalances and checking the drivers etc.).

Quality Control (QC) being the work done after the product ships out (their response to issues/controversy, the basic way they’ve addressed and look to rectify problems).

What I was intending was that Tangzu bet they could go light on the former and stay lower on pricing, but to address the latter they may have to eat into the profits of future products, which may end up costing them more

Oh, ok, so by the definition QA is setting up the structure, procedures etc for the proper and repeatable functioning of the process and system(not performing any actual action on the product itself) and QC is performing the “quality actions” (in process/after productions checks, complaint handling, etc) themselves.

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That’s what I was going for, exactly :+1:t5:

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Audiosense AQ4
Not for me - all Bass & Bloat!

Redoing the video there was a 3 layer filter that was stuck on the eartips I used and never noticed and so I am Redoing the video.

Ummm. That was wierd.
Soo
SORRY

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This and your Encounter review have been really useful for crossing items off my curiosity list, many thanks!

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I screwed up somehow there was a 500 level filter in the eartips i used and never noticed until i took them off.

Didn’t make sense to me why there was no highs !

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Was going to say… I have the AQ4 and whilst the treble is overshadowed by the bass which graphs maybe higher than it feels, and leaves it with a lack of extension generally - the highs definately are not non-existent. If you have one available adding an impedance adapter helps bring out the treble, though I loathe using temporary mods.

Will be interesting to see the differences between this & 7HZ Legato as with the recent Audiosense pricing these both present quite different takes on basshead and how to balance the rest of the FR at c. cost.

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I have a iFi IEMATCH I eill try as well thanks.

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OK Audiosense AQ4
REDO VIDEO
With full Playlist and impressions:

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I really gave it a fair listen, i cant figure out who would think this IEM sounds good with its sound signature?

Khan has sub bass and does it well.
Penon Globe has the same sub/mid bass curve and graphs with a whole lot less highs bit is world better and even darker.

EJ07M slams , U12t I am listening to right now with BA… Just Wow!

The AQ4 just has all boomy bloat.
Surprised so many good reviews?

Basshead IEM at least has some highs to balance.

Anyone who says they can review a IEM bases on a graph I challenge you to call this one correctly!

I am glad I saved you some $
That was the best comment I have ever received thank you that makes my heart swell with happiness thank you.

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GS Audio SE 12
$929.00 retail

12 Driver per side
5 way crossover.
2 Sonion 38D series BA for sub bass.
2 Sonion 37 series BA for bass/low mids
4 Knowles unidentified BA for upper mids/treble
4 Sonion EST65QB02 magnetostat for ultra high.
22 ohm @ 1 kHz impedance.
118 dB/mW sensitivity
9 Hz - 40 kHz frequency response.

  • Preamble:
    Please allow me to quickly recognize The Tone Deaf Monk for generously loaning me the GS Audio SE12. Providing me the opportunity to experience this multi driver hybrid IEM is much appreciated.

I find the SE12 source sensitive. They are a high resolving and detailed pair, and I find they can get a bit hot in the upper frequencies when paired with sources that are also highly resolving, or bright.
After rolling through my available sources I chose the AK SP2000T on Tube Amp mode for this evaluation.

  • Fit, Build, Packaging, etc.
    Fit for me is very good, and very comfortable during lengthy listening sessions.
    The metal nozzles are long enough to provide an insertion depth that is adequate for me to get a good seal and anchor using X Large Moondrop Spring tips.
    I didn’t receive the stock tips with this loaner set, and I generally rely on third party tips anyway due to fitment issues with the majority of “stock” tip offerings.
    The “standard” 5.5mm nozzle diameter (6.0mm at flange) means many 3rd party tips will fit, allowing for a wide and varied selection of tip options.

Build quality is excellent, the clear resin shells have the appearance and feel of quality, and are smooth with no sharp angles or edges. The faceplates are fully integrated with the shell, the seam is invisible and undetectable.
The shell is not vented, I have seen comments that some users have experienced pressure build up, but this has not been my experience and I have several multi hour sessions under my belt with the SE12.
I would identify the shells as mid sized, which is impressive for a 12 driver hybrid. They are molded with a mild “wing” on the shell. I know some don’t like these, but they typically work well for me for maintaining proper alignment for nozzle angle. Interestingly, with the SE12 the wings don’t actually make contact with my ear but the IEM still stays in place and maintains a good seal and anchor.

Packaging is something I can’t really comment fully on as I received only the IEMs, Stock 3.5mm SPC cable, and carry case, but not the original retail packaging or other accessories.
The SE12 does come with a sturdy pelican style carry case that provides the IEM excellent protection.

  • Equipment:
    GS Audio SE12 aged unknown hrs.
    AK SP2000T Tube Amp mode, 4.4 balanced.
    Eletech Prudent 8 core SPC terminated 4.4mm.
    Moondrop Spring XL wide bore ear tips.
    (Additional equipment used identified below under “sources”)

  • Sound:
    I’m not certain how I would classify the SE12 sound signature. It could be perceived as U or mildly V shaped, but mids and vocals rise up and are forward enough I think W shaped is perhaps a more appropriate designation.

Bass is very capable. Sub bass can extend very low, but decay is fast so despite the ability to rumble it doesn’t bloat, carry excessively into the mids, or overwhelm the soundstage.
Mid bass is detailed and well defined. It decays fairly quickly making it quick and tight. On detailed recorded sources, you can hear string slap and finger plucks clearly on stringed bass instruments, but resonance rolls off quite quickly.

Lower mids are recessed but upper mids recover fully. They elevate above the bass shelf and present forward, They are clean, open, and uncluttered, they extend nicely above the lows. Clear, clean, and highly detailed.

Vocals present forward but are not over elevated, they sound like they are in front of the band.
Vocals are clear, detailed and concise. They lean slightly toward a bright timbre and I pick up an occasional hint of sibilance, but, the majority of vocalists sound, for the most part, natural and accurate.

Highs are bright, crisp, clear, and highly detailed. They roll off around 8kHz so air is somewhat attenuated, but there is no lack of energy in the higher frequencies.
Detail retrieval is excellent and micro detail retrieval is very good.
Snare drum attack is crisp, and cymbals have nice sizzle, synthesizers are crisp and sharp.

  • Head Stage:
    Fully encompasses the head space.
    Width is mostly inside the head, but I do perceive some percussion to present just outside the head.
    Height is very good, sub bass extension draws it low, and despite the early roll of the highs, there is little or no limit on extension into the upper reaches.
    Depth is just good, Mids and vocals present forward enough to provide an “in front of the band” perception.
    Imaging and layering are very good left to right and top to bottom. It is easy to place and identify individual instruments.
    Separation is good, the stage is “intimate”. The technicalities and resolution of the SE12 are capable of preserving the individuality and identity of instruments and vocalists, but they sound like they are close together for a more intimate performance.

  • Technicals:
    Tonality leans toward bright in mids and higher frequencies. Bass is warm.
    Timbre is very good. Personalities of individual instruments are well defined and identifiable.
    Dynamics are excellent.

  • Summary:
    I personally find the SE12 to be a highly resolving and technically competent iem. It leans toward the bright side, and I find it source dependent, preferring warmer sources over brighter or highly resolving sources.
    Even on warmer sources I find it can occasionally exhibit some minor sibilance, but I am nit picking here. I very seldom notice this when relaxed while just listening “without listening”. During critical listening while prepping this evaluation I would pick up on it from time to time.
    The Bass is very capable of of providing a good foundation for the mids and highs. It stays in place and doesn’t interfere with the technical prowess of the mids and highs.
    At just shy of $1000 retail it is imperative that the SE12 is capable of performing to a high standard.
    More important than its technical capabilities is does it sound good? My answer is yes, very good, paired with the correct source for your personal preference.
    It works well with most genre in my opinion.
    I have very much enjoyed the SE12 listening experience.

  • Other Sources:
    The SE12 is easy to drive.

  • iPhone 13 with lightning to 3.5mm adapter. Stock 3.5mm cable. **Streaming Apple Lossless on iPhone.
    SE12 drives very easily straight off the phone. Good listening volume is attainable below 50% volume.
    The bass is excellent with good extension. There is some reduction in detail and resolution in the mids highs, but still very good. Vocals remain forward.

  • iPhone 13 with Colorfly CDA M1, 3.5 mm stock cable.
    The bass becomes more prominent. Vocals remain forward. Mids detail is poor, highs are good.

  • Hiby R3pro balanced out. Low gain, Eletech SPC cable.
    Not a good pairing for me. R3pro is a bright DAP and turns the SE12 into an electronic ice pick.

  • Hidizs AP80 X, balanced out, low gain, Eletech SPC cable.
    Very bass prominent. Mids and vocals become very forward, high end looses detail.

  • Hiby R6III, balanced out, Class A amp mode, Eletech SPC cable.
    Pairs very nicely, Bass is warm and smooth, mids are clear and detailed, vocals clear and natural, highs loose a small amount of detail and resolution but not enough to hinder enjoying the SE12.

  • Shanling M9, low gain, balanced out, Eletech SPC cable.
    The Shanling is a warm and powerful DAP. Bass is very full and rich, the tonality is a bit less bright but retains clarity and detail in the mids and highs. Vocals are a bit more forward providing some additional stage depth.
    Very nice pairing.

  • FiiO M11Plus ESS, mid gain, 4.4mm cable.
    The FiiO is also a warmer source thanks to the THX amps. It is less powerful than the M9 so I upped the gain to mid.
    Bass picks up some boominess and carry’s into the mids a bit. Vocals are forward and natural. Mids are warmer but loose some detail. Highs also are less detailed and loose some resolution, but remain bright.

  • A bit about me and the music types used for evaluation below.
    If you give a cats meow about that stuff.

** note: I try to be objective, but I am biased somewhat by my personal preference for sound signature. I lean toward a more balanced sound with perhaps a slight mids forward bias, good bass, good mids, good treble.
I am somewhat treble sensitive in the 8-9K range.

I do NOT consider myself a professional/career reviewer as I have no formal training as a sound engineer or musician.
I enjoy doing evaluations as part of my hobby.

  • i.e. the thoughts presented here are strictly personal opinion based on my hearing, your mileage may vary.

** My hearing taps out at around 12.5 kHz, I can hear 12.5 but it’s more a background sound. I think it is fair to note this.
“Air” is typically a reference to treble that is present above 12.5 kHz, it is therefore beyond my hearing capability. When I reference “air” in a sound evaluation I’m referring to where I perceive the positioning of the upper treble ranges, ie. where they present themselves within the sound stage/head stage.

*** I have large ear canals, and typically the stock tips included with most IEM don’t fit well for me. I have a selection of third party ear tips that fit well in most cases so I default to these. I will identify my tips of choice, but unfortunately, seldom can I comment on the stock offerings.

  • Music:
    varied selection of tracks from my playlists played from SD card. FLAC 44 through 192 and DSD 2.8 (64) through 22.4 (512)
    My mainstay are Blues, Rock, Jazz, Country, Classical.
    I also streamed Apple lossless for electronic, R&B, Death Metal, etc. to get a well rounded experience of how well this IEM handles a variety of genres.
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CUSTOM IEM?

I have very difficult to fit ears.
Even with universal IEM’s that fit well, have the correct nozzle length and angle, I typically also need third party ear tips that are large enough to seal and anchor properly in my ears.
Inevitably, with normal head movement, they will back out and lose seal, requiring regular re-adjusting.

I have long considered trying a custom fit IEM, but custom builds are often limited to more expensive high end “flagship” brands/models.
One of the downsides to custom IEM’s is; they only fit your ears, so once you purchase, they are yours, and yours alone. No opportunity for resale.
So, unless you have access to universal versions of expensive Flagship IEM’s that allow for long enough listening sessions to know for certain they are to your liking.
Purchasing expensive customs to find out if they are right for you is a risky investment if you have no option but to blind buy.

The IEM pictured in this post is my recently purchased Hisenior T2 custom.
It is an incredibly well tuned 2 BA custom IEM currently priced at $132 usd.
For that price you, get a very well built IEM, wide choice of shell colors, and a wide choice of custom faceplates to choose from, plus a top notch carry case and cable.

There is a bit of extra effort and cost involved. You need to visit an audiologist and get ear impressions made to Hisenior’s specifications, take photos of the impressions and email to Hisenior for approval, then ship the impressions to Hisenior in China. Depending on your region, that may involve international or overseas shipping.
I’m in North America and all in, IEM, Impressions, and shipping, came to just shy of $200 usd.
I realize that for many $200 is a lot of money.
If, however you are like me, and tired of fighting with hard to fit ears, and have been considering Custom In Ears.
This offering from Hisenior is an attractive option to experience the custom fit option for far less than $1-2K cost of many Custom offerings.

I am not associated with Hisenior in anyway other than being a satisfied customer.

Just bringing this to the attention of those who may be curious whether or not Custom Fits might enhance the enjoyment of their audio listening experience.

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Wow K you went deep on this one and described the SE12 perfectly.
Great write Up.
Only correction is the case it comes with is so small the IEM dont fit with cable.
$1000 IEM and this is the case


In France, we have earsonics that makes iems for pro and consumers. Someone bought their universal flagship but the fit wasn’t for him. So he sent them back f to earsonics and give a little extra so they transform it into custom. I think that’s a great way of doing things: you test the universal version, and then send it back to the maker to get the custom version.

I don’t know whether hisenior can do that too, and I’m not sure about the additional cost of shipping the iem in addition to the mold.

Linsoul had a custom service for the thieaudio legacy 3; that allowed for a “cheap” custom too. But it seems they stopped doing that.

A real breaker in this matter is you having to send the mold to them. It would be great if one could get a 3D scan of his ears to send, thus reducing cost a and wait.

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Universal v’s customs…I’m led to believe don’t always sound exactly the same? also the shape of ear canals change as we get older so a custom set might need to be redone over time.

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Great review! Sounds like a solid choice for those who like a more technical sound.

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