Cautionary Tale - How I damaged my hearing with the HD6XX

Hi all,

I thought I’d share how I seem to have damaged my hearing and increased my tinnitus this summer with the HD6XX over about 3 weeks of use.

Hopefully it may serve as a cautionary tale that would prevent someone else from having a similar experience.

I’d had very minor tinnitus for about a year before this whole thing happened. It didn’t bother me and because I thought it had come from workplace noise and I’d never been one to play music very loud.

At the start of July I bought the 6XX and ended up with an atom amp and DAC, and also with a zen Can off eBay.

I expected to resell the least preferred amp.

In the first week I used the atom amp and basically had no problems. It sounded good. I used my phone app to make sure it was listening at around 70db and I tended to have the amp at 10 o clock.

In the second week I used the zen Can and found that it sounded better but seemed to cause strange ear discomfort, which sometimes felt like eardrum tightness or a pinprick.

Its all a bit fuzzy now but I think I still listened to them quite a bit, but sporadically because of these sensations. I wasn’t sure if this is what people describe as a fatiguing sound but that didn’t sound right because the 6XX is meant to be a very non-fatiguing.

On the third week I was probably switching back and forth between amps but one day I put the headphones down and my ears were feeling pretty bad. I put in some true wireless earbuds and went on to do something else while listening to a podcast or something. Well the strange thing that happened was my right ear started hurting really quite a lot. I took the buds out and noticed the tinnitus was slightly louder in that ear. I still thought no big deal but decided to pack away the headphones to give my ears a rest which feeling quite sore.

At this point I realized the whole audiophile thing was not worth the hassle and decided to sell the headphones, amps and DAC.
After this my ears stayed sore for quite a few weeks. I went to the doctor around the middle of August, so about three weeks after I’d gotten rid of the headphones.
This doctor said I had a retracted eardrum and my eustachian tubes were sore, and he put this down to seasonal allergies and that the headphones were a red herring. I sort of thought fair enough and my ears stopped hurting by inhaling menthol and steam.

The thing is by early September the tinnitus was bothering me quite a lot more than it had before. It was clearly much louder than it had been in June. Loud enough to be noticeable day to day and very distracting in a quiet room.

So I’m here at the start of October and this tinnitus is causing me a huge amount of worry.
However, the important thing is to document this and warn others so that someone else might avoid the same experience.

It’s a mystery to me how this happened.

One scenario might be that I had the volume much higher than I realized as the lack of distortion tricks your brain into thinking it’s not as loud. In this case I damaged my hearing the old fashioned way.

Another might be that the quite excessive listener fatigue caused the problem.
The Wikipedia page of listening fatigue states that it causes less blood to flow to the cochlea hair cells which can kill them, but I’m unsure if this listener fatigue is the same thing that audiophiles describe as fatiguing. It also seems to me that the article is talking more about when your sound becomes muffled when you walk out of a concert, and this is definitely not the experience I had using the headphones. Listener fatigue - Wikipedia

So that’s the story.
If you get any kind of pain in the ear when listening to music with a new piece of equipment, stop.
It’s not in your imagination.
And maybe listening fatigue is actually really dangerous?

I’d also be interested if anyone has any ideas about the listener fatigue hypothesis. Its so strange that whatever happened to my ears caused my eustachian tubes to get inflamed and it sucked my eardrums into my middle ear.

Cheers.

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A good cautionary tale, i greatly appreciate your message on this topic.
It is best to listen to things at quiet levels of volume whenever possible to preserve your hearing.
Your post inspired me to adjust my default volume settings a bit lower, extra margins of safety are always a good thing.

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The same thing happened to me a few months back. I have a decibel reader and put on my loudest recorded songs to mark 78 db max. I listen to Argons and I would get the same fatigue you described after a while on my right ear.
I asked myself, “why am I feeling discomfort? These pads feel soft like clouds.”

Then one day, bam! A sharp pain struck my eardrum. I stopped wearing headphones and IEMs after that, but the pain would still randomly shoot at my right ear at random times. The only time I could force the pain to happen on demand was when I would lay on my side, with my right ear on the pillow. I guess the pressure made it hurt.

After 3 weeks of not using headphones, the pain went away. Luckily, I hear no ringing in my right ear but I can’t tell if I lost some hearing on that side or not. I adjusted my markers so that I won’t pass 73db but even so, I don’t really go near that marker so I’m probably listening around 67.

Even after all that, I still use my stuff. My right ear still feels uncomfortable after about an hour of listening to my argons so I take more breaks now. Sometimes, I would still listen to some of my favorite songs on higher volume sometimes but I do that sparingly. I’m using a modius(high gain) and asgard 3.

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Damn Man…

Okay so I’ve had tinnitus too cuz of own doing. Had water stuck in my right ear - force fed a rolled tissue paper tip, and got tinnitus instead for about a week. Went to the doc - he says either meds could do the job, or if you want it quicker, Ill do a little procedure. The latter was bad choice. He froze the wound with N20. It got better in a day or two, but now if it’s too loud, that ear starts ringing. But I changed my preferences a bit.

I DONT DO CLOSED BACKS ANYMORE. Open backs sound better, firstly, and I don’t get tinnitus with them either, at least not most of the time. I also don’t listen crazy loud no more (I used to be a basshead, so closed back at crazy SPL was a thing for me back then. Still, it’s a rather physical injury that caused my tinnitus. I do hear some marginal semi-tones LOWER in that ear sometimes… just sometimes.

Phone earpiece used to trigger it. IEMs used too, also. I’ve since stopped IEMs or any other bad in-ear gear that CLOSES IN THE SOUND INTO THE EARS.

My advice here for others (besides OPs):
Watch your levels with IEMs. I literally hate IEMs now. But if you’re an IEM guy, just watch those levels please. Find some that have pressure alleviation features maybe (so the sound doesn’t get stuck in the ear with nowhere to go but forwards).

Watch you Closed-back headphones! The same could happen with completely closed or mostly closed-back headphones.

AVOID GEAR THAT DOESN’T SUITE YOU! Cans are sounding funny. Too bright? Bass too much? Maybe even causing a bit of a nausea sometimes? Telltales! All telltale signs! Walk away from that gear - you don’t need it in your life!

@AndyOrgan Yeah, best choose non-fatiguing, open gear… speakers maybe. And I guess really watch the levels as and when your hearing gets better. Don’t trigger it again. Now this should not have happened with the 6XXs (I have them, and it’s never been bothersome) - maybe you were going REALLY loud, and then you really triggered it with IEMs.

That numbness feeling - has happened. You’re raising volume yet still not loud enough for you. That sign is a such a clear tell-tale of ears closing up shop trying to reject the sound at that moment. I’ve never been to a concert, but have been to a club once. Yeah I came out with the feeling “Fck man, that was damn fking loud!” Never been to clubs again. Or to any loud shitshows or gatherings of similar sorts. I know better to steer clear. Yeah, everyone else must follow.

Andy - I know the feeling - a bit. It’s reall pissy. Can’t do anything. One starts hating their life and everything around them.

Well Get Well Soon! buddy - but don’t you fucking rush it, y’hear!!!

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10 o clock is actually very loud on the atom. I cant go above 8 0 clock with most stuff, except the most demanding planars.

Thank you for your kind comment.

Yeah for now I’m basically happy to not use any headphones from now on if it avoids making the tinnitus slightly worse over the years.

I think in my case it was from listening too long, and not too loud. It seems that fatiguing sounds aren’t just a quality of the system but also that your ears are fatigued themselves.

Edit replying to AT Khan

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It’s a bit fuzzy as this was three months ago now but it’s perfectly possible I was listening too loud. Again it’s hard for your brain to realise when you have good equipment that doesn’t distort.

Excellent points.
Would like to add even “Watch for Open and Semi-Open headphones”.
Noticed that Open Planar headphones caused slight pain for me after 30min while listening to bass music (trance, EDM, techno). The film/diagram moved so fast the created little pressure and pain in my ears.
Even when volume levels are just near / just above conversation levels. With more volume it got worse.

Have not noticed or felt this in headphones with dynamics drivers.

Well I put my phone’s microphone into my Bluetooth headphones and turned the volume up until the DB meter read 70.
Put them on my head it was really uncomfortably loud.
So that solves it I suppose. I can’t believe I was listening to music at or near that volume for over two weeks. Probably for hours every day.

Well as an update things got a lot worse.
Over the weeks I developed beeping tones in both ears and a shimmering “eeeeeee…” On top of the baseline hissing which react to external sounds.
Things like fans, white noise, rain, wind, cars, running water all cause my beeping and ringing to get louder and compete with the external sound.
Honestly this has been catastrophic for my life.
With antidepressants I’m in a place where I’m functioning but it’s hard to see myself enjoying life the way I used to if this continues to get worse or doesn’t improve.

My advice to people here is just to get rid of the headphones and just listen to music through speakers.

Also it needs to be made clear to people who are new to hifi that listening fatigue is a sign that your ears are in danger and they need a good rest for a few days, and not just a subjective property of certain equipment.

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Hey don’t lose your faith man I am sure you can find balance in your life even with this condition. Who knows it might even be flaring up right now and get better in a while, try your best to stay positive. Bad mentality will only make things worse. I would also like to thank you for cautioning others and sharing your experience. :heart:

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Thanks I appreciate it.

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This broke my heart - I’m so sorry, man. I have tinnitus but it doesn’t seem as severe as yours. Don’t lose faith, brother. Trust me, after a while you get used to it, as sad as that sounds.

There are also some exercises where you can rub your temples, cheek bones and middle of your brow that gives some relief, I’ve been doing it the last week and it has helped a touch at night when I’m trying to fall asleep and the eeeeee sound is so loud, it keeps me awake.

I wish you all the luck, man. I’m so sorry to hear about what’s happened.

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Thanks.
Honestly I go back and forth with how I feel about it.
I know its just a noise and it can’t hurt me, but at the moment about the state of my ears and it getting worse.
For example my left ear which was my quieter one started hurting a bit a few days ago and now it’s louder and more reactive than the right.
Thankfully I have an ENT booked in next month which apparently is good timing for the NHS. Hopefully that’ll give me some idea of what’s going on.

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Well hopefully you could get to the doctor sometime sooner then next month but please do share what the doctors opinion is when you get it.

The ear doctor wasn’t very helpful really.

They dismissed any talk of ear fatigue, the pain in my ears I’d had, and even the blocked eustachian tubes and retracted eardrums following the headphone use as unrelated to tinnitus, perhaps because it’s in the textbook?

They said it’s just acoustic trauma → hearing damage → tinnitus, so the other symptoms I had in the summer were supposedly unrelated and I found this pretty hard to agree with.

On the other hand I’m doing better in general. I went off the SSRI’s which seemed to make the tinnitus calm down and I’m feeling more or less back to my normal self so I can’t complain.

It still feels like a losing battle with this because it comes down to:
Quiet environment = tinnitus
Louder environment = “reactive” beeping tones that accompany some frequencies of external sound.
The latter symptom makes listening to music or even watching any kind of “cinematic” TV a bit unpleasant so there’s no two ways about it. It’s a bit of a negative.

But the truth is you do just learn to deal with it and other things in your life become meaningful and interesting again.

Protect your damn ears people. I think just never plugging headphones into a dedicated amplifier will get you 90% of the way to still being able to enjoy your auditory experience as you get on through the decades.

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It’s good to hear that you’re doing better in general. And reminding everyone to protect their hearing is always an important message to get out there in this community. Thanks for sharing your story. :sunglasses: