I need STAX too! Cant i have both? lol. I lust after those L700 headphones and the 353 energizer. 
while burn in evidence seems to be anecdotal and not something measurable…I suspect it’s like tube amps and R2R DAC…they measure like crap, usually sound really good, but some headphones just don’t jive with em. essentially, something that defies logic.
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Well it doesn’t defy logic per se, just something that can’t be put into objective terms, it ain’t magic
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I can prove satan exists because somebody had to have created the M50X. 
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Consumers spending time on break-in is a lot more cost effective than spending corporate resources on the same. Would you please sift your arguments through common sense before wasting our time with them?
Not measurable? By what a simple freq response test? Are you actually presenting that as a serious argument because if so, it doesn’t require a response.
Common sense, like, that no one would listen to a pair of headphones they don’t like for 100 hours?
Yup. Frequency response does not show everything.
Who said don’t like? Why not un rated or provisionally rated? After all the idea is to give them the time they need.
This topic goes all the way back to the start of Magnepan in the late 60’s/early 70’s - if not earlier.
Relax man. The point is, if burn in unequivocally improves sound quality, at a certain price point, it makes sense for the manufacturer to do it to improve the end product. Which people have said is the case.
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Burn in of headphones and burn in on speakers are very different for obvious reasons. Using speakers as an argument to prove headphone burn in is real wouldn’t convert me or many others. Variable exist for a reason.
Or its a plot to get users used to using their gear and not someone else’s… BWHAHAAA
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Now this is funny, but the humor is that there is some validity in that statement. LOL
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People who tried their headphones for a few minutes and sent them back.
I mean, I never bought a pair of headphones with a little card that said “please burn in for 200 hours before complaining our headphones suck” either. So apparently even manufacturers don’t care, and view the differences as “subtle”, too. Otherwise, they would take care of the burn-in themselves (which is the case in some high-end products, but not all, and definitely not for, I don’t know, Skullcandy or Beats or whatever).
I have seen Satan. And he has taken the Guise of the Nuemann NDH 20’s o.o
LMFAO, I must be going to hell then cause I love the Neumann’s. I think Satan definitely invented the Neumann earpads without question though. They are like a medieval torture device.
Lol, please don’t satanize all the headphones you don’t like. 
By the way, I definitely did not notice burn-in with my T50RP planars or my KZ balanced headphones. I don’t think it matters with these technologies. But dynamic drivers move a lot more differently (duh!).
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There are cases of burn in with BA and planar, it just depends on the headphone/iem
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People who tried their headphones for a few minutes and sent them back.
I mean, I never bought a pair of headphones with a little card that said “please burn in for 200 hours before complaining our headphones suck” either. So apparently even manufacturers don’t care, and view the differences as “subtle”, too. Otherwise, they would take care of the burn-in themselves (which is the case in some high-end products, but not all, and definitely not for, I don’t know, Skullcandy or Beats or whatever).
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I’ve certainly seen equipment with printed instructions re: breaking in, and I’ve also read interviews by designers to the same effect. Its certainly not rare.
Some equipment is pre broke in, but I believe that’s less common now then say in 1990.
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If this keeps up, people are going to start burning headphones at the stake.
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That could be good thing with a negative environmental impact but they would burn.
Then they could get some speakers and experience music. Better… could be the term.