Elex, Nighthawk, and Elegia compared and contrasted

Disclaimer: I have noticed that my approach to headphone evaluation is a little different. Frequency response doesn’t really stand out to me. Even though I’m a musician and I’ve been exploring headphones for a few years now, I still can’t really tell where there are peaks or valleys in the frequency range. Quality and quantity of bass and sub bass I can usually describe, but the rest of the range usually sounds fine to me in most situations. Maybe it’s because I’m a musician that I notice different things and consider aspects other than FR to be more important. I’m about detail, separation, and “presence” or “strength” or “effortlessness” or “completeness” of the sound.

The Focal Elex are the best headphone I personally have listened to. They push all the right buttons, sounding the most natural and musical. They take zero work to listen to: the music is presented in as straightforward a manner as possible, without ever being boring or fatiguing. I just put them on and enjoy the music. As I upgrade my DACs and amps, the Focals match the improvements step by step, proving their scalability. They are revealing, detailed, and satisfying. They are as open a headphone as you will probably ever find, which might be the reason for their musical, effortless nature.

Let’s talk Nighthawks. There’s a reason Audioquest named them Nighthawks. In a word, they are dark. They aren’t the resolving detail monsters that the Elex are, but they aren’t a slouch either. They aren’t my first choice for music where I want to clearly hear every note from every instrument, but for casual listening of more popular stuff, the Hawks can really add an appealing flavor. I guess you could think of it as putting on very slightly out of focus sunglasses. Details are just a little less sharp, but the most noticeable difference is in the overall color of what you are experiencing. I keep them around and use them often just because I like the variety. Also, they are very comfortable. I like the suede pads, their overall weight is good, and the self-adjusting comfort strap is a work of genius.

The Elegias are not a closed back Elex. I think of them as my “luxury closed back” headphones. Putting them on is like getting behind the wheel of a luxury automobile. It’s easy to tune out the world and immerse myself in the music with these cans - a very soothing feeling. Soundwise, I would describe them as accurate, solid, and strong. For overall sound quality - accuracy and strength - I would rate them the best of my three closed backs, the other two being the DT177X and the Meze 99 Neo. They just blow away the two closed backs I’ve sold - TRX-00 Mahogany (too much bass, too muffled) and the Ether CX (the most boring headphone I’ve ever heard).

Finally, a word about cables. It’s common knowledge that the Elegia cables are some of the worst cables ever made. Lots of folks have gripes with the Elex cables too, but I actually like them. So I put the stock Elegia cables in a drawer and just use one of the cables from the Elex, which ships with a 1/4" TRS termination plus an XLR termination, both 6 ft long and compatible with Elegias. I’m not a fan of the Nighthawk cable - like many people, I have found it to be “weird.” My Hart Audio replacement is being made probably as we speak.

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Love my Hawks (OG) and love my Elex!! Elegia is a distinct possibility for closed back… contemplating… excellent thoughts and I like how you presented same…

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Brilliant comparison! Couldn’t agree more on your assessment of the Nighthawk and the Elegia. And you certainly confirmed my suspicion that it is worth looking at the Elex when I’m ready to step into some serious open backs. Thanks for writing this up!

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Elegia is the best closed back under 600€? Which one is better?

Got my nighthawk Carbons for 220€ new and that’s really the price range they belong to. The leather pads make them sound way too muffled but with the suede pads they really sound nice with pop music and music that benefits from a darker presentation.

So many different answers to that question, depending on what is important to you. There is a great, long thread on Head-Fi about closed back headphones. I currently have six pairs of closed backs and they are all Very different. Really depends on what you are looking for.

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The “best” headphone is the one you like the most, for sound quality and comfort.

Elegia is a super can. But there are other closed-backs that are lovely, too, if you want a different sound signature than Elegia.

It’s always dangerous to pinpoint one headphone as “the best” at a certain price point. Take Elegia, for example. If you seek a very detailed closed back with lovely imaging and a mids and treble focus, then Elegia is terrific. But if you like bass and sub-bass, then Elegia isn’t your can, regardless of who calls it “the best.”

Horses for courses, my man!

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Ok. I have now Sivga Robin.

And do you want more bass? More detail? More isolation? More comfort? What is your budget?
I, or a lot of folks here, can point you to one or more options, but it is a crapshoot if that will be something you like or the “best” headphone.

It took me years and way too much money for me to figure out what I like. While I may be the world’s leading expert on what Shane D likes, we all hear differently. :grin:

You have to either get out testing/trying where you can or just buy and sell/return what you don’t like.

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An overall improve. Detail but fun, with soundtage and imagining.

No one headphone does it all. There are always trade-offs, especially with closed backs.
Can you try stuff out where you are? Stores? Friends? Family?

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As @ShaneD said, that’s a magic bullet you’re never going to fire.

More detail? Check. More fun? Check. Better soundstage and imaging? Check.

But we need more info., man. Dynamic driver or planar magnetic? Are you a basshead? A mids lover for vocals and strings? Do you crave cochlea-sizzling treble?

Thanks.

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The Robin is a very bassy can with scooped-out mids. If you like that bass, I can almost guarantee you will HATE the Elegia.

Elegia is the antithesis of Robin – all mids and treble, with bass that can punch when called but that mainly stays in the background, keeping steady time like Charlie Watts did drumming for the Rolling Stones. :slight_smile:

audeze mobius is my favorite

A nice, dark bassy headphone is the Beyer T5’s.

The Elegia’s are a little bright and a little bass-light, comparitively speaking. The mids are amazing and there is tons of detail.

Both have great isolation and both have a nice sound, but they take very different routes to get there.

The T5’s would be a logical upgrade to the Robin’s, if you love that sound.

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I don’t care if it’s planar or dynamic driver. I like that it has a sound with some mids present.
For example: The sivga robin in the bass seems correct to me, the sundara in the mids I notice them somewhat late and for examples in the treble I don’t want them to be sibilants. I usually tolerate that part well except for extreme cases such as tin t3.

I like robins. They have a very good scene for the price and a fun sound. I miss more body and a little more general cleanliness in the frequencies. I notice it clean but if I spend €500, I hope it shows in the cleanliness.

You won’t know for sure until you try them out.

I get the feeling sometimes that @ShaneD and I are audio twins. I also have 6 closed backs that I rotate between, and we have had a lot of the same pieces.

I might get kicked out of the forum for saying this, but for me, there aren’t many bad headphones sound-wise. Just different. That’s why I keep rotating them - I need that variety. Looks, feel, and features are almost as important to me as sound. (Please don’t shoot me.) I’ve only turned around and sold headphones if I thought they were boring. I want to engage with the music and feel it. Yes, detail is important, but at its core, music is an emotional experience, and I need gear with personality.

I do avoid certain headphones if I want to listen to art music (“classical” music) - bassy, muffled cans like the Nighthawks and Meze 99 Neos are usually no-gos for sonatas, concertos, symphonies, suites, etc, but they can take the edge off of very bright, edgy compositions and performances.

Here are my six closed backs in ascending order of cost and the reason why I reach for them:

  • Meze 99 Neo: easy-wear/portable. The things only weigh 260 g and the cable is short, lightweight, and manageable.
  • Drop X Beyer DT177X Go with Dekoni XL pads: made in Germany. Yep. I do have a few Chinese cans, but I feel strongly that most Western brands that farm their production out to China are focused on mass-produced, cheap, disposable stuff to maximize investor dividends at the expense of local labor, community, and brand pride. I think that companies that keep their manufacturing local have quality and integrity as top priorities. “Original” Chi-fi (like Sivga, Sendy, Blon, Harmonicdyne, Moondrop, FiiO, etc.) is another story altogether - Chinese-owned, designed, and produced stuff can be cool.
  • LSA HP-2 Ultra (bought used): made in Russia. Lightweight. The graphene-coated drivers are responsive, accurate, and euphonic.
  • Denon AH-D7200: walnut cups and nanofiber drivers. Sound pretty thicc, but only play well with a few amps.
  • Focal Elegia: made in France. Isolate well, very comfortable. Luxurious. Reliable.
  • Audeze LCD-XC: made in USA. My only closed-back planar magnetic phones. I think of my Elegias as driving a performane auto (built for speed and efficiency like my 350Z), while the XCs are like American muscle: overbuilt, overpowered, too-loud, gas-guzzling pigs reeking of testosterone and built to intimidate. The goddamn things weigh 2.5 times what the Mezes do, so I can’t listen very long. But they are pretty spectacular sounding. Z’s review said that these phones actually perform well at lower volume levels - turn it down and enjoy, and I find that that is often the case.
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Great post. Do not kick this user out! :laughing:

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