šŸ”¶ Emotiva GR-1

I’m going off of the measurements from RTINGS.

They show the DT1990 as having a flat-ish sound profile (Headphones - 1.4 - Graph - RTINGS.com) whereas that of the X2HR tapers off in the low bass (Headphones - 1.4 - Graph - RTINGS.com)

I do have the X2HRs and the bass is really good on them - so based on these graphs one can logically conclude the bass on the DT1990 should be - for the lack of a more accurate word - better?

Now, I’m only wondering if the GR1 has a better or worse sound profile than the DT1990 (or the X2HR even) so I can make my next purchase decision.

I have been using the GR1 for a bit over two months, and the DT 1990s for only a couple of days, so I haven’t gotten used to them yet. Take my impressions with a grain of salt.
Been using both with Schiit Hel. Note that DT 1990s could potentially scale better with higher end amps.

So, both are built well. DT 1990s feel sturdier but the clamping force is much stronger on them too. Stock pads are more comfortable on GR1s.

I’m not a certified audiophile and don’t really ā€œknowā€ sound, but I’ve been an avid music listener for decades. My impressions regarding the sound are thus:

Bass is punchier and cleaner on DT 1990, while it is more present and enveloping on GR1. GR1 sounded muddy to me, but not so much anymore after I got used to them. I would say the difference is like being hit with a boxing glove vs being hit with a pillow - pillow is bigger, but softer.

Mids in my opinion are somewhat recessed on GR1 and more forward, clear and detailed on DT 1990 - but not by a huge amount. Vocals aren’t spectacular or particularly bad on either. I feel like DT 1990 wins here due to better clarity.

Highs are present and resonably detailed, but also somewhat veiled and not particularly clear on GR1. DT 1990 on the other hand are famous for being treble cannons even with balanced pads and do have the Beyer peak. If you can tolerate the sharp treble on DT 1990, they win hands down - more present, forward, detailed and clear than on GR1.

Soundstage is somewhat wider on GR1. It might be an error of my perception though, due to GR1 sounding more forward and having more body. DT 1990 sound a tiny bit thinner in comparison.

Imaging is great on both. DT 1990 are better with pinpoint positioning, and GR1 are a bit better for hearing distant sounds in games(Hunt: Showdown in particular)

Overall, despite sounding more enveloping and a bit veiled, the GR1 also sound a bit more forward overall. I cannot explain it properly - I just feel like the sound on them ā€˜hugs’ me more, while the DT 1990 keep a smidge of distance.

Both headphones will probably take some getting used to. Both have character and both are quite different, while not being too far apart from each other. I’d say GR1 are more suited for relaxed listening and are less offensive, but at the cost of detail, slight veiling and some melding in low to mid range. DT 1990 on the other hand are sharper and less forgiving, much more aggressive. But also cleaner, clearer and more detailed at the cost of being more fatigueing.

I cannot say which one is better. DT 1990 are probably better overall, but not proportionally to the cost increase. I love detail so I prefer them, but purely based on value GR1 win. Accessories are better on 1990 - two cables and two sets of pads vs one of each on GR1. Both come with hard carrying cases. finding replacement cables shouldn’t be difficult for either.

Circling back to bass, again it is good on both, just in different ways.

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I just returned the focal elex after I 0 days because my Gr1s performed at low 90s percent of the elex. I’m not sure what witchcraft emotiva stirred into the pot, but when I can own a 300$ set of cans that can come this close to a hand made boutique headphone, at twice the price… it makes me wonder how much I’ll have to spend to get that next magic ā€œwow factorā€ I first got with my sundaras.

And after getting my Gr1s, I did sell my sundaras. (sacrilege I know). I am in awe of the imaging of the airmotiv set. One downside is they do not suffer crappy mastering gladly. Not at all.

Agreed on the Zen DAC. It out-performs dacs 3 times the price. I play my Gr1s via the pennacon balanced cable, using the Oratory1990 settings with no other tweaks.

As over-used as it is… These things punch far, far above their weight.

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Agreed, there is a lot of functional options on the zen you won’t find on units 3 times the price. I invested in a pennacon balanced cable for my airmotiv gr1s and it pushed the Gr1s to a whole new level

Hart Cables. there’s even a code for HFG members for a 10% discount :slight_smile:

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Where can I find this code? Need me some cables.

They are polar opposites. Dt1990 if you want to be murdered by excess treble

No offence, but I think it is quite ridiculous and misleading to say the gr1 performs at over 90 percent of the Elex. Are you driving the Elex properly?

I’ve used DT 1990 with both included pads and Dekoni Fenestrated Sheepskin pads. To my ear treble was excessive only with the analytical pads(balanced pads are mounted by default on the headphones, analytical ones are in the box). But the 1990s definitely can be too much for treble sensitive people.

Thats a hell of a stretch… that statement might be a bit overkill imo though I haven’t tried this headphone yet… the elex in particular is extremely close to the performance of the Focal Clears which both are extremely good headphones…

I think this really depends on the listener though… I think the treble is fine but it does have some peaks that can be annoying depending on genre or song.

Rather curious about this headphone… perhaps I should add this to the list of auditions soon though I have extreme high doubts it will out pace a 1990 let alone the elex in terms of clarity and level of detail

late response but I would say the x2hr is the bassier headphone of the two as technically the mid to upper bass is raised on the x2hr and quite flabby at that bleeding into the mids… meanwhile 1990 depending on the pads will depend on its bass response but its naturally a more neutral line… so its sub / lower bass will be more in the mix but thats about it(B pads do add significant bass tones)… If you pad swap it to a balanced pad yes the 1990 is a bit bassier and it naturally has a tighter slam to it… it becomes extremely bassy through a pad swap to a suede or other pad known for bass increases

1990 with the two pads it comes with… analytical being the more neutral of the two

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Found a graph on the net. Don’t know if it’s accurate. I sure hope the L/R differences aren’t common.

Would not be unheard of for the guy taking measurements to not know that he f’ed up…

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yes, but those are just tiers of what I’d call mid-fi. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

that is a strange fr.

Then where is hi-fi supposed to start? $4k? A level allot of people will only be able to look at and never really get to have?

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it’s all hi-fi…but totl starts after $1000. :wink:

Meh, I hate the terms TOTL and Summit-Fi, they get thrown around too much. They are almost always tied to a certain amount of $

A price doesn’t dictate a product’s sound performance, period. There is no certain price point at which product magically gain ultimate performance. It’s all preference.

For example, for me the iBasso SR2 is both Summit-Fi and TOTL, despite it’s $550 MSRP.

Sure, there’s a lot of fancy words, materials, technology, and a whole lot of marketing present the higher up you go in terms of $, but that doesn’t mean that it will or does sound better.

I guess there are some unwritten rules and expectations, but when you have more exceptions like the SR2, you question whether those unwritten rules even have their place.

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TOTL / Summit-Fi are interchangeable in my books. :slight_smile:

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these terms are for fancy pants :heart: @Marzipan

but seriously, you are both right. its all subjective. one mans trash, is another mans treasure. i have a cheap as shit pair of bluetooth speakers i got on sale at kohl’s i think. the pair(left links to right) was less then 20$. everyone who has heard them, thinks they sound amazing. they are trash. but they are better trash then the normal jbl,sony ect big box brand portable speakers.

audio playback is really objective. and for the masses, 100$ or less is summit fi, totl, w/e clever term you wanna throw on or not. for me, i don’t worry about price, just enjoyment. my desktop speakers, i cant ever see me replacing at this point, and they cost about 300$ for the pair. i have tried much more expensive ones, and they don’t do it for me. i never jam at my desk as i don’t typically jam ever, let alone 2 feet away from my speakers. they offer me the most balanced and detailed sound i have found, for the low listening levels i typically listen at. and this is why its all subjective to the person and circumstance. would i call them end all be all for a room? not even close. will they fill a large room? not remotely. but they fit my needs perfectly.

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I think people use Summit-Fi more often for gears that cost >10k.

TOTL is used for both the over a grand stuff and over 10 grand stuff.

I just listen to my ears, I let them judge if something is TOTL or not. I don’t look at the price tag. But I probs wouldn’t dare to not call an expensive product TOTL xd