šŸ”¶ Focal Clear

Youā€™re fully entitled to state your opinion. However, instead of starting and stopping there you went and started arguing that your setup is just fine for the clear. Multiple people with experience say itā€™s not at all, and you keep saying it is.

Normally I would say that this is the case, but as weā€™ve been saying again and again, you are not hearing the Clears the way they were designed / intended. Signature-wise you may be able to tell approximately what you like and donā€™t like with the stack you have, but without a good enough stack you cannot accurately judge the headphone. Therefore, your conclusions are flawed and unhelpful to people looking at the cans seriously. Detrimental, if anything. The only relevant information on the Clears that you have provided is that the Atom is nowhere near sufficient to run the Clears and that the Clears go for a neutral signature with a potentially metallic sounding top end.

Iā€™m definitely not the end-all-be-all of headphone reviewers or the arbiter of truth in audio, but this is really stupid.

Audio measurements are mostly unhelpful. DACs that measure poorly can sound phenomenal and DACs that measure well (and use it as advertising) can generally sound bad. Measurebaiters are a real issue.

Sigh, then stick with the D50 forever. Or get a Geshelli DAC if you like measurements so much. At the very least itā€™ll probably sound better than the D50. I can state for a fact though, that DACs matter. Especially as your equipment gets better (more revealing, more details, quieter backgrounds, quicker transients) DACs make more of an audible difference. You are highly unlikely to hear a significant sq difference between low end dacs with low end headphones unless you listen really hard. A lot of what youā€™re hearing with the Clear being lifeless is almost entirely to do with the DAC. The amp is not helping at all either.

Can confirm Iā€™ve spent quite a lot more on DACs, as have quite a few people on the forum. We do so because we hear a difference. All I can say without being mean.

sigh

Youā€™re gonna have a really bad time with the LCD-X if you use the same stack, just telling you now. A safer bet would be an Ananda or DT 1990. Those are pushing the limits of what the stack should push ok.

Also, the sundara and he-400 (both of which I owned for a long time) should run fine off the stack. I personally would never do it (as I donā€™t like the sound sig of the stack at all), but you arenā€™t doing a disservice to those cans with that stack. The HE-500 should be fairly similar. The LCD-X on the other handā€¦

Iā€™ll say it again, go buy an HD800 instead. That fits your stated preferences. Though, again, your stack wonā€™t drive them well. However, this time around you wonā€™t have a can that you dislike the tuning of.

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they are entry levelā€¦ those who generally are just getting into the hobby or donā€™t want to go beyond a certain threshold price point for their headphones. In other wordsā€¦ they are the low end. Asgard, geshelli, etc are steps upā€¦ above there you got RNHP, liquid plat, etcā€¦ and after that amps like violectric come into play. D50 is justā€¦ quite sterile honestly so im not a fanā€¦ I mean, itā€™s not badā€¦ just its very lifeless and is one of the reasons im not a big fan of toppings a90 + d90. Not a lot of headphones sound all that good on such amps and dacs like the THX, SMSL, or Topping in my opinionā€¦ it really boils down to a persons preference

Would not recommend thisā€¦

It is an intimate headphoneā€¦ but there are others that have a smaller more narrow and intimate sound than the clears in comparison such as like a 6xx or something. Itā€™s not really that bad so to speak but its nothing large and spacious for sure.

eh? Beyers are not mid centric headphones so not sure where your going with this. Focal excels in the mids and a more balanced approach to their signature meanwhile beyer excels in the high end treble and loads of detail retrieval. If you want more of a beyer approach grab the elexā€¦ its shouty in the mids with a lot of treble presence to the point of a ton of sparkle on those highs

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The dry, elevated bits that I hear on this hardware reminds me of Beyers.

I believe it should sound better than it does, since it is good hardware, yes. But since it does not, I have to take a point off the Clearā€™s score.

True enough. Some people love the Schiit sound. But so far, the best measuring DAC has sounded the best to me. No idea how stuff above D50s measures(I can only assume it measures mostly even better).

You can confirm that, like several other people have said, they hear no difference with most every/any DAC? Well, thatā€™s what Iā€™m saying! =p

Actual user - ā€œused the Atom w X for abt 2 months, loved every minute of itā€.

Hmm really interested to see what the personā€™s experience with the headphone was like. Is there any link where I can read more?

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be civil!!

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retain civility please

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loving regards - me

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you really like this cat, Tommy :stuck_out_tongue:

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Just google for it like I did. ā€œLCD-X ATOM ampā€ or something. Found on head-fi.

i canā€™t help it !!


for instance
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lol lets keep the thread on track shall we?

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So letā€™s say Arya is a 10/10 for amp/source pickiness(as it seems very apparent from reviews). What would Clear be?

I definitely want to revisit and retest this case in the future, once I become wealthy and famous, of course. (and finally see what that elusive HD800 & 009 sound like)

After a TON of research from different forums, I decided on Clears and Iā€™m extremely happy with them. Iā€™m currently using them on a Focusrite 18i20 audio interface though and I know Iā€™m not getting the best out of them with it.

Hereā€™s what Iā€™m considering for an amp/dac combo:
Schiit Jot2/Bifrost2
Violectric V200/V850

Recommendations from those who have used the Clears with these combos?

Thank you!!

JOT2/BIFROST2 = Amazballs

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+1

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Iā€™d swap the jot 2 with an rnhp with a bf2 but the jot 2 is still nice

With the v200 Iā€™d go for a 2541 or 1421 instead of the v850, thatā€™s also a real solid pairing

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I want that combo! good luck getting one though. Backorder, from 4 - 6 weeks :confused:

Yeah Iā€™ve had my order in for about 3 weeks now. I think I made the right decision going with the jot2/bifrost2