Better dac with the mojo. I don’t see an issue if the distortion is because he connected it to the wrong input. You are using the mojo as a dac that goes to an analog amp, to the speakers. You can argue that you won’t hear that big of difference, but connected via USB will be an improvement over steaming via Bluetooth or network. I wouldn’t say it’s pointless
Well I’m a eat my cake and keep it kinda guy
Thanks for your concern though… I’m a noob and I embrace it… Willing to learn !
By the way M0N, you were right I hooked it up to CD and now it’s working and it’s… it’s… beautiful
Thanks guys!
How is digital streaming better with using USB connection in transfer than digital streaming + network connection in transfer?
1’s and 0’s should be the same in the end.
If the streaming is over Bluetooth then it will not be as good as going through USB because of quality loss. If it is over WiFi, then it depends on how they implemented that feature weather there is quality loss. Either way, you are using the internal dac of the receiver, and that’s not going to be as good as the mojo.
I understand what you are saying, and would agree if he already didn’t have a more capable dac he was willing to use with the system.
It would be like having a cold air intake for a sports car just sitting in a box, and using the stock air intake, when if you installed that better intake you would get better performance. Possibly the car references help lol
Typically the dac implemention in a receiver isn’t going to be as good as something where you pay for the quality of the dac (and the headphone amp)
I removed Bluetooth text for a reason from the Quote, did you notice.
Quality or Data should not “go bad or lose bits” in network transfer, Wifi or Cable (prefer cable of course). Sounds the same, unless actual data miss.
What’s the Actual DAC chip in Mojo, just for curiosity?
Onkyo has AKM 384 kHz/32-bit (AK4438)… i think.
And does it make that much difference
There still is packet loss and other factors that effect network transfer, and how the data is actually being transferred is another thing, because you can’t always expect data to be transmitted lossless, but that’s besides the point.
You are correct in the fact that dacs typically don’t transform a system or even effect it majorly, but that being said, a better dac can help a system sound it’s best, and the mojo has a better implemented dac. Another thing to consider is that the mojo kind of colors the sound a bit with the chord house sound. This might be more pleasing to some as well. Also you are taking the dac outside of the amp, reducing the potential of noise and interference.
If you want the convince of using something like the spotify connect, then by all means use the integrated. But honestly most receivers can be a pita to set up and just work, and if you plan on using the cable anyway, you might as well just use the mojo
Also I think the mojo has chords own FPGA chip. And it’s pretty good, but that’s also preference. IMO a dac implementation effects the sound more then the chip itself
You do know the network traffic has “Error detection and correction”?
And this can be checked inside your / everyone’s own network, between every device.
If devices have no network errors, every package is 100% in full data, no packet loss. Sound does not change. If data is missing it’s a bad network or network setup or device.
Removing of course the Spotify (source) from combination cause. Both way’s loss will have a effect in sound.
Yes, if you have dropped packets the sound will be effected. Correcting packet loss isn’t flawless and it depends how networks handle dropped or lost packets. Home networks can have issues with QoS prioritization and interference/collisions, and some devices cannot make up for this, and you can get stuttering and issues like that. Usually these networks are best-effort and will try to minimize issues, but it’s not perfect. It won’t directly effect the quality, but can effect the quality of playback. A more inexpensive home router and devices like a internet connected receiver is not going to be as good as a high end network switch with networked pc’s when detecting, preventing, and correcting packet loss. Packets can also be corrupted or misrouted, but usually a network can effectively compensate for this. Anything using signal to transmit data through radio waves is inherently going to have more issues with this then something connected with a physical cable. The TCP protocol also does try and minimize packet loss, but may not correct the errors. Latency can also effect packet transfer and effect network audio playback. This is all just something to think about, but most people won’t have these issues unless they have networking problems or poor equipment. And that’s just talking about within a LAN network , not including accessing the internet and back
My main point was that the internal dac of the receiver is being used. The packet loss was just an example of what can go wrong and not necessarily something that ruins the quality of the audio.
Also just realize that I said lossless and I mainly was referring to transmitting signals over wireless, not the quality of the audio.
I finally got around to testing Mojo’s line out with my speaker amp & speakers. No question much better than my D50s. I hear no hiss/static at all, too.