IEM discussion thread (Part 2)

You got them so fast that they didn’t get chance to spell Cincotres correctly :wink:

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That was actually confusing me for the longest time and noticed they fixed it on the website a few days ago.

Linsoul intern realises error:

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Same here :rofl: So they did misspell the name on the box as well (what about on the actual IEM itself…). It’s quite the tongue twister, had me really puzzled.

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Actual IEM has always been correct, it even showed that the description was misspelled when they first put up the page lol. It’s an oversight across 2-3 languages, I wouldn’t hold it against them too badly…


Edit: They also sound pretty great, so there’s that.

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It may even work in their favour, everyone remembers “oppotty and driams” :slightly_smiling_face:

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And if they fix the box for later units, early adopters get a collector’s item!

I’ve got a lot more listening to do, but the Cincotres and Doscinco are basically what everyone expected; your choice really boils down to “how do you want your bass, fam?”. The bass quality is on par either way, but the Doscinco has more emphasis on the lowend (which will draw your attention in a track) where the Cincotres is much more balanced overall. Still a little boosted maybe, but more of a neutral tuning. The difference isn’t really huge on most tracks though, I would think it redundant to own both tbh (and I scooped both mainly as an experiment, I’ll be getting others’ ears on these later so we have more impressions). It’s almost like HD600 vs HD650 (although more of a lowend lift in comparison), if they both had better extension on the top and bottom. It kinda seems like there’s a little extra emphasis on the highs on the Doscinco to try and balance out the lowend boost, pushing the mids back a bit in the mix as a result. Technically, they seem on par with each other although the Cincotres obviously comes through a bit cleaner and more effortless. Dynamics are good, nothing earth-shattering but good. I don’t know if these qualify as “giant killers” but as general use IEMs in their price range, I don’t think anything else on the market can really match these unless you want a specific tuning or config. Both are safe tunings, and both are enjoyable and immersive; it just comes down to what you want out of them. Soundstage is decent, maybe a bit narrow but natural enough with some depth. Imaging is solid. Between the two so far, I think I prefer the Cincotres a bit more but Doscinco is what would appeal to Western ears the most.

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Okay that’s good to see at least :laughing:. Thanks for your impressions, glad to hear that they sound great :+1: I think that for my listening preferences (EDM), I have made the right choice with the Doscinco.

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Crin talking smack about Simgot on twitter the same day this thing shows up on linsoul…

Better sounds good, it’s ugly af.

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Bro, lmao

It’s funny because all his collabs have been mid so far

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While the timing is pretty hilarious, Crinacle is absolutely the first guy to say that you should never trust him because of conflicts of interest and opinions are opinions (I really disagree with him on the Simgot DDs but I’m not Harman-affixed like he is so :man_shrugging:). As long as it comes in at a decent price, with decent QC and good sound, I welcome it. I also don’t think it’s that hideous, but I’m pretty open as far as designs go.

I tend to agree based on the ones I have had, but I have still never gotten my hands on a Dawn (and at the new price, I never will haha). Secondhand units have always seemed impossible to get, too.

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Can someone help me understand how a single DD can have a crossover?

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It’s not that uncommon AFAIK; you may still have to attenuate certain peaks based on the single driver and enclosure. Think of it like using EQ or DSP to treat a null or peak for a subwoofer in your room. It is usually accomplished with filters and foams and the like, but can also be done with crossover components. If I had to guess, the KARS is probably just a fancy name for a notch filter.

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With all due respect to Crin, his collabs bore the hell out of me, just like KZ’s line up. They’re all the same flavor of vanilla ice cream with some differences in the recipe along the way.

It obviously works for lots of folks, his name attached makes a difference for sure, but I’d like to read something different than “ Tuned to Crinacle’s tonal signature…”.

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But isn’t the definition of a crossover splitting the frequency to multiple drivers? I can see how the method for accomplishing that could be used on a single driver as you described. Feels weird to call it a crossover though when in reality it’s a filter

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Yeah, Crossover becomes a misnomer when used on a single driver, but the same materials and concepts apply. “Attenuation device” would be more literally accurate in this case. There’s a fair number of single-driver, full-range speakers that do this and I think they typically call it a “filter” rather than a crossover.

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Shots fired! (but yeah I agree lol)

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And much like Moondrop Single-DD offerings, how many times can you go the well without just decreasing the price or managing improvement of intangibles enough for people to care unless they just got into the hobby? But hey, if it sells, it sells!

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I guess if you call it a filter it didn’t sound as revolutionary

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Gotta have that marketable gimmick language! Crossover probably also sounds more familiar to your average Chi-Fi Enthusiast where Filter (despite likely being the exact same thing in this case) has a more unusual or derogatory connotation, as it conjures images of “fixing” things or masking those wonderful intangibles (DIYers and speakerheads as well as engineers understand that filters are just a tool like anything else). While technically-minded Audiophiles would actually be happier with ordinary, specific nomenclature for parts and just saying what components were used, like you say, there is nothing sexy about it like there is for exotics. Well, not for most people…
EDIT: It has also been surmised that they may be using something like a Helmholtz Resonator to achieve whatever “Kiwiears Acoustic Resonance System” is accomplishing rather than a filter, but that makes it odd that they would even mention a crossover in the description. Well, someday we’ll know for sure.

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This is supposedly the graph. Gamechanger tuning

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