IEM discussion thread (Part 2)

They have used 10db scale before actually.


(TSMR 4 Pro)

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well i guess more evidence pointing to 10dB scale. I look forward to seeing an independent graph at some point

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This is how the tsmr 4 pro looks btw.

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quite different from their graph… neither are particularly intriguing to me lol

Yeah it sucks…was scammed hard by the penon bois back then…

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Hey all, just dropped some pics and my thoughts on the Symphonium Meteors. I’ve been listening to them almost non-stop for about a week now. Checking it out would be much appreciated :handshake:

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Squiglink - IEM frequency response database by Harpso

Things I like in my life:

  1. Adoring the Ziigaat Doscinco flair and pumping isobaric bass vibes.
  2. Living for the elegance of Ziigaat Doscinco coupled with the power of isobaric bass resonance.
  3. Reveling in the grandeur of Ziigaat Doscinco and the immersive experience of isobaric bass.
  4. Embracing the distinctiveness of my Ziigaat Doscinco and the deep, dual-chamber rhythm of isobaric bass.
  5. Preferring the sleek design of Ziigaat Doscinco and the enveloping punch of isobaric bass frequencies.
  6. Celebrating the uniqueness of Ziigaat Doscinco and the innovative push-pull of isobaric bass technology.
  7. Savoring the engineering marvel of the Ziigaat Doscinco and the hard-hitting precision of isobaric bass mechanics.
  8. Cherishing the premium feel of the Ziigaat Doscinco and the balanced pressure of isobaric bass setups.
  9. Showcasing my love for the Ziigaat Doscinco experience and the tight, articulate thump of isobaric bass.
  10. Relishing the class and performance of Ziigaat Doscinco along with the dense, lush soundscapes of isobaric bass.

Things I don’t like in my life:

  • Putting the Doscinco down
  • Pondering what I do with all my non-isobaric bass IEMs

Anyway this gem gets a full review at some point in the future.
See ya later.
Disclaimer: I*m not affiliated with Ziigaat. Bought the Doscinco with my own money.

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It’s funny how we strive to find the sound signature that suits us best, but at the same time, it can be refreshingly cool to try out a different taste. Especially if both surprisingly fit you well.

Are there some key areas, which need to be done/balanced properly for IEMs to stay in that comfort zone, with the rest just adding nuance to the overall picture?

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I’m not completely sure, but @thoohil might like doscinco.

But I just can’t tell…

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I’m glad Ziigaat goes for nice and normal faceplates so I have the power to reject buying their sets and not go broke. I will admit though I’m hella close to buying one lol

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Copying this over from a private chat:

the isobaric bass tech is a real step-up from the conventional single DD setups. I’ve only listened around 2h to the ZiiGaat Doscinco and I can already tell these have the best bass replay in my whole collection.
This marketing claim is 100% true:
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There’s real progress in this tech. The whole bass replay is bonkers good.

There’s also the ZiiGaat Cinocotres with the same build as the Doscinco which they market as “Studio Tuning”, whatever this means. I haven’t seen a graph of them.

I think the Ziigaat prices are very good for what they offer. They just entered the IEM market so these prices might be a good deal right now. When they rise to fame (which they will) they might raise their prices.

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Hahahahaha!

Which set?

I’ve been eyeing any of their midfi priced sets, I’m gonna save up until 11.11 and buy cool stuff then lol

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This graph looks sweeeeeeet

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lo mismo - stay strong!

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Kinera Verdandi vs Noble Audio Kublai Khan

About Kinera Verdandi:

It’s good to see these iems getting appreciation. I adore them so much. From the first listen to last night’s session, I have been mighty impressed by Verdandi. They don’t just look beautiful; they sound equally amazing. These are absolute all-rounders. I love the way it induces musicality and balances the technicality. The headstage is quite large and spacious. It gives enough room for each and every instrument to shine, bringing out details and nuances in a very nice way. I am more surprised by the fact that vocals get quite a lot of room, as if some vocal mode is activated on these iems. The extension on vocals/mids is superbly controlled and detailed. The upper mids don’t have any shoutiness at all. The low end is very solid, with a good texture and depth. There is a good amount of subbass. The bass is not something boomy and floaty in character; rather, it is a well-defined and precise bass. With all this goodness, Verdandi handles every genre equally well.

Comparison:

I have been comparing Verdandi and my favorite all-rounder, Noble Audio Kublai Khan. I have owned a KK for the past 6 months. It’s an impressive iem, loved by almost everyone who has tried it. Since the first listen, I got a hint of a similar sound on Verdandi. It’s really surprising to find that these two sound so similar. I compared them for days, on multiple tracks, different genres, multiple sources, etc., just to be fair and detailed.

Driver Config:

Verdandi: 2 Knowles BA + 2 Sonion EST + 1 DD + 1 Bone Conduction Driver
Kublai Khan: 4 Knowles BA + 1 Piezo Tweeter + 1 DD + 1 Bone Conduction Driver

Sources used for comparison:

Lotoo Paw Gold Touch and Astell&Kern SP3000

Results:

I love the looks on both of these iems. Verdandi gets an edge with the amazing design and subtle colors on the shell. KK is lighter and smaller. In terms of accessories, KK has an edge as you get a massive tank like Nanuk case, which leaves no scope for comparison. The one and only gripe with Verdandi is the small case it comes with.

The bass texture is almost identical on these two. KK may have an edge with extended subbass (just by a very small margin). The similar configuration for the lows is producing similar results. DD driver on KK is 10mm vs. 6mm on Verdandi.

The mids on these two have almost equal sweetness and richness. Mids on Verdandi are a bit more upfront and sweeter (again by a very small margin). The energy in the treble is almost identical too. The upper mids on both are quite identical in terms of control and extension. There is no harshness, peakiness, or shoutiness on either of these iems.

On the technical front, the headstage on Verdandi may have an edge, but we cannot really decide if it’s better than Kublai. Verdandi may have an edge in instrument separation. On a few tracks, I do feel Verdandi sounds a bit more open and spacious.

Verdict:

I cannot decide who the clear winner is. I love Kubali Khan a lot, as it is a great all-rounder which plays everything quite well. Verdandi ($1200) achieving this at a price half of KK ($2500) is just unbelievable. With this sweet price on Verdandi and performance so close to KK, KK does not justify this high price at all. I would not pay twice the amount for KK, even if I had some extra bucks available. I hope this helps.

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I’d sell my soul for the Verdandi, it’s so pretty <3

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After $800-1000 the law of diminishing returns kicks in full force. Right now, the $250-$400 segment is very interesting.

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