IEM discussion thread (Part 2)

Here are some quick impressions after a couple of days with the Letshuoer Mystic 8, a $990 all-BA IEM with 4 Sonion and 4 Knowles drivers in a small titanium shell. These were easy to drive at 18 ohms impedance and 107 dB/mW sensitivity; worked well with my various sources. Thanks to AudioGeek EU for the tour unit!

This set has great vocal clarity - voices have a satisfying bite that makes them engaging. Detail retrieval is good. Bass isn’t the focus here, but it is well-balanced with good subbass extension and nice distribution between sub and mid-bass. There’s plenty of treble sparkle, and the presentation is somewhat intimate. No big stage effect here, as with Cadenza 12.

Despite the vocal-focus and treble presence, it handled metal tracks surprisingly well (like Death’s “Moment of Clarity”) without becoming harsh. I gravitated to classic rock tracks like CSNY, Steely Dan, and The Beatles. I could also easily discern the subbass on Nine Inch Nails “Copy of A” and the bass separation was impressive throughout, despite the bass taking a back-seat to the mids and treble.

A complaint here is that vocals can feel slightly thin or lacking body, coming from bassier sets. However, there’s notably no sibilance or shout, even on problematic tracks that typically expose these issues in other IEMs (e.g. Adele - I Miss You).

The Mystic 8 should be on your list if you’re looking for great vocal clarity and detail with well-controlled bass and treble sparkle, that’s easy to drive. The top-notch build, smaller-sized shell, the fact that they’re easy to drive are pluses too.

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The Volume S and Pilgrim are solid sets, so I can see why finding a true step up is challenging.

The NS10 Pro is an interesting pick! BGVP has been a bit under the radar lately. If it’s underrated and flying below the hype radar it could certainly be a hidden gem. You planning to pull the trigger anytime soon?

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The Moondrop Rays builds on the same hybrid driver configuration as the Moondrop May, but with a revised set of DSP profiles and a more gaming focused aesthetic. In this review, I break down its frequency response vs the May, analyze Moondrop’s DSP implementation in the Link app, and explore whether the $25 premium is justified — especially in light of the criticism Moondrp has received for charging $25 more than the May for this new IEM.

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I was going to but now I am afraid, it’s not gonna happen anymore for something bullshit happened to me today and I don’t feel so good about myself and to the overall situation that could’ve had been avoided in the first place. Maybe I should’ve had ordered that one instead of the Mega5EST that I “bought” from the marketplace, I think I really need a break from this hobby overall.

What is you opinion on Imaging differences between IEM/Headphone Drivers ?

Do you think there is any correlation b/w the driver types ^ perceived spatial localization

  1. Single DD
  2. Multi BA Setups
  3. Planar Drivers
  4. Esoteric Drivers (E-Stat, MEMS)

Yes, but by extension of the cohesiveness of the xover(s) not by driver type alone. I feel upper-mid and up frequency response has more to do with spatial localization than driver-type.

Of course, one can’t separate the drivers in a multi-driver setup from the crossover…they must be considered in total.

I think it’s undeniable there’s an inherent cohesiveness of a single driver regardless of type aka sans crossover.

That said, I’ve never heard electrostatic or mems drivers. They may unpack and remove untold layers :wink:

I have enjoyed and still do in my shop system RAAL ribbon tweeters. There’s some special sauce I don’t get (or always want) from soft dome tweets.

These little bad boys. I have an earlier generation. They’re made about 20 mins from me…good folks. SIERRA-2EX V2 PAIR - Ascend Acoustics

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Yes, it is very hard to be conclusive about imaging without taking HRTF into the consideration. But I was asking about if you think, transiance and speed has a direct correlation to the imaging or not.

Crossovers introduce phase issues (improper implementation) resulting in a busy/blurry imaging. This is where I generally find Planars & DD offers better imaging than Multi Driver. But again this is not conclusive enough, since Annihilator Exists

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I find them to be quite different. But that not only depend on the driver type but also on the shell resonance, crossover applied, and other key factors. Imo EST’s(pure EST’s like Stax or Shure KSE1200) and Multi-BA setups do a better job when compared to the others.

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Anybody seen a graph of this set?..Just wondering how much ‘monitor’ it really is…

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That MMCX connector doesn’t look very standard.

Yeah, I am not a fan of proprietary things involved with this hobby as well. I prefer connectors that we can all use and replace with ease. And yeah, even to this day, I am still not a fan of MMCX connectors due to the past troubles I had with them.

Zero Ultima is very Interesting, $17 set & punches way above the price point

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I listened to the IceLabs Spectrumica for a couple weeks. The set is a $2000 USD hybrid featuring a 1DD, 1 bone conduction driver, 4 Sonion BAs, and 2 Sonion ESTs. It has an impedance of 7 ohms with 93 dB(/mW?) sensitivity at 1kHz. This was an AudioGeek EU tour, thanks guys!

The sound signature is warm and mid-bassy, with a tactile feel to the bass that puts bass-thump forward in the mix. Despite this warmth, instruments in higher registers remain well-etched and separated. There’s good detail and a nice sense of space, with engaging treble that adds shimmer/crunch without being harsh. No vocal sibilance. L/R stereo separation and imaging are good, gives a nice sence of things being spread out.

Overall the it gives a somewhat larger-than-life, almost surreal presentation that some might find appealing. The mid-bass has satisfying impact and when considered in isolation, the mids have good timbre and separation.

However, the prominent mid-bass and treble tend to crowd out vocals, with both male and female voices sounding somewhat recessed. On bassier genres like hip-hop, the bass can sound a bit one-note, lacking the separation and speed you might expect at this price point. While the impact is there, the bass resolution feels lacking when listening to complex tracks like Tool’s “Jambi.” Busy instrumentation can become cluttered in the bass/low-mids region, for example in Vampire Weekend’s “Walcott” where the kick drums, acoustic bass, and cello get a bit muddled.

The aluminum shells and overall build quality seem befitting of a $2K set, and despite their larger shell size, I didn’t have fit problems.

Ultimately, I can see the Spectrumica being polarizing with its colored but well-executed tuning with its big mid-bass that’s complemented by extra treble presence. I imagine many will enjoy this presentation, while those prioritizing bass extension/detail, vocals, or overall cohesion might want to look elsewhere.

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Ive been absent, mostly, from the community here lately and was curious on getting some decent iems under 100$ for my nephew. Bonus points if green lol. I’ll check some charts here soon, but just curious what is top of the mind with folks. Many thanks in advance!

It’s not under $100 but people have been liking it and it’s bright green - the ZReviewsxJuzear Defiant. It’s right at the top of your budget.

Depends on your nephew’s tastes, but I’m very impressed by the KZ Zenith which is under $100.

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lol Linsoul sells this IEM with either “Geschlechtskrankheiten” (sexual transmitted deseases) OR a microphone :smile:

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What on earth? That’s hilarious! Ich hab keine Ahnung wo sie haben dieses Wort gefunden. :rofl:

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It´s the translation from the browser :smiley:
The original says STD, whatever that means in tech terms :smiley:

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Probably SchildkröteTanzenDisko, a location where new Geschlectskrankheiten originate every week.

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Wow. Just wow. Talk about marketing mishaps.

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