Drop the bone conduction driver (gimmick, nothing else) and use 4 BA’s and 2 EST drivers, reduce the shell size considerably and just tune it well, it can be done without chasing “driver count” as an excuse to shout “flagship” and perhaps drop the price to $1000\£1000.
If it’s just audio quality you are after then there’s no need for such an expensive Aful iem, once you get above a certain price your buying more than sound
A couple people were commenting on the graph of this iem, so I thought I’d post it here. Impressive so far.
Your squig seems to match @VIVIDICI_111 's one, but both are different from HBB’s and the “official” one from Ziigaat. I wonder which one is the actual tuning?
Lesgooo glad im not the only one
Fat Panda 2.0 let’s goooooo!
Absolutely. It can get annoying to see brands chase driver counts like it’s a spec sheet competition. AFUL has proven they can do more with less, so it’s disappointing to see them lean into this. “Flagship” should stand for a refinement of house tuning and tech, not just a bloated shell with a dozen drivers fighting for space.
If they focused on refinement over excess, they could offer something truly special without ballooning the shell or the price tag.
Nothing beats this obviously.
24 BA each side.
With breathless claims of no BA timbre, glare or sheen, of course, too. Can’t forget that. 
Maybe their new prototype?
Thats insannee! How did i not know about this xD
This is correct, they are hoping to release it by the end of the year, no config so far but it’ll be all-BA IIRC and kind of a ‘Helios Successor’.
And they sound fantastic, just as a side note 
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Eager to see it, man. You’re one of the good ones.
Big shoutout to the guys on this forum for all the help over the years.
This is for the die hards! I might do a part 2 if there are questions to address. https://youtu.be/4Svsiu4SXTo
It’s an interesting iem American made, branded drivers. It’s very strong.
