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well…rumors on Ampere are rampant. what was reported as benchmarks for the 3080, being about 30% higher than the 2080 Ti is now being said to be 3060 scores. I find that hard to believe though…don’t recall any leap of that magnitude in the GPU world where a mid-range blows the top end out of the water in just one gen. heck…it’s usually 3 gens to match on average.

and now there is word that AMD is working on an ‘Ultra Navi’…

it’s funny and fun! :smiley:

It happened. Early 2000s, ended with Nvidia Fermi.

Offcourse there is a rumor of AMD bringing some insane GPU to market (which they won’t because it is not cost effective and they are short on cash anyway)


A general word on rumors:
When neither Videocardz (who are accurate in their leak articles 80% of the time) or WCCF Tech (huge grain of salt) report a rumor, it is probably fake.

On the subject of the “AMD 6900XT leaks
https://adoredtv.com/overvolted-11-fake-navi-real-tiger-something-ampere/

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I remember 700 to 900 series nvidia being a decent leap but it wasnt an insane need to upgrade or anything that changed the gfx landscape.

More horsepower is nice certain devs still love to not optimize. But for ones who do then you only need a mid range card for high fps 1080p gaming now. I do 1440p and it seems doing that resolution and up still chunks out performance.

A lot of developers also do not bother to compile their stuff with optimization flags/options set making the CPU the bottleneck.

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I know cpu capping well

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Film people are very VERY particular about 4 basic things

  1. Legacy with 32 bit programs and files (killed with Catalina)
  2. 3rd party app compatibility (despite rosetta 2, stuff like Avid and Final Draft are notoriously unstable and putting them on Arm sounds like a recipe for disaster)
  3. The ability to install apps and transfer licenses without being stuck to an App store (which a lot of indications seems like this is happening, which makes shit sooo much harder)
  4. Cost to performance (basically you need at least 128 gb ram to work with 8k footage and when the lowest cost mac pro that actually is useful to a filmmaker costs 25k when you can build the same for under 10 on windows)

Apple has pissed so many filmmakers off since Jobs died its incredible. Especially when the biggest oscar winning film of 2019 was edited in final cut pro 7 an NLE platform that hasnt been supported or working on mac since 2011

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once we perfect linux and make it a easy install or start selling linux machines using the perfected OS . or if windows somehow gets good apple will me in a pinch . but apple has done so good with homogenizing their OS’s and interface and are about to do more with their ARM processors I have a feeling some people are never going to leave.

That’s great! Aside from screenwriters, every single filmmaker I know or work with has transfered to PC in the last year.

Some folks are experimenting with POP!_OS and davinci

I dont think apple really cares anymore about those creatives. while they came out with the new macs Ive seen so many places just move over to windows cause of choice. cause we are at a time wher nvdia basically rules the high end GPU market and Epyc coming from AMD. and creators want to use that shit as well. apple seems to be moving towards selling to the "pro"sumer market or to their cult like consumers of their products.

yeah I saw some music producers I know had to relearn windows and I had to build a few PCS for a few graphic design and animator folks last year as well when they saw the price to performance of the new macs only ever time I got to touch a quadro I’ve never been so scared inserting a card into a pcie slot. I am usually not ever intimidated by touching electronics but when a card is worth more than your car my heart was not ok

Yep. Its why the Mac Pro 2019/2020 was the camel that broke the straw’s back for many in my field. Its 56000 fully loaded, can be easily outpaced with a threadripper system. It’s a vanity item to be a showpiece in stores, for youtubers and dumbass rich kids to edit tiktoks on.

Yeah, I’ll be building an editing/animation/ recreational pc on new NVidia and AMD hardware in the fall (given supplies) either a 4950x or a zen 3 threadripper if they ever come out. I’m actually still waiting on a set of monitors to be available/ come out before then.

I’m still working on a Mac Pro from 2011 to do my storyboard work. The thing can barely run blender or Unreal Engine.

EDIT 2: Clarification. I work in storyboarding and previs for film, TV, and animation as my primary income.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Linux has been around for 30 years now (it debut in 1991) and is still very far from being an every day OS that’s easy to use. it’s waaay better than it was just 10 years ago, but still has a long ways to go. :wink:

it will be interesting to see what happens as Apple moves over to ARM entirely. what made them popular was the software catalog that opened up to them when they went x86, suddenly there were no limitations for the end user and anyone / everyone could use their product to do what they did. going back to ARM, a RISC architecture, may hinder that…but so much has advanced since they first switched to x86, that emulating / porting to ARM / RISC may not be as painful as it was two decades ago.

The main problem for me is it’s clear they want to close down access and make all program installations through their app store.

Linux has been seeing a huge influx in users and interest as of late lots of frustrated windows users moving over

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for a niche as it’s so different from Windows and even Mac OS with little brand name software porting / crossover it’s a really alien landscape to find themselves in. the lack of familiar software restricts its uptake. there are a lot of apps to do what they want, but the pain point of relearning is usually too much.

Linux appeals to the DiY’er, not the sheeple that make up 90% of society.

ARM is still very limited in I/O capacity (which is a non-issue in mobile devices).
Emulating X86 is technically possible, will land you in court facing Intel and AMD though.


Edit: @Ohmboy or @WaveTheory, there is some stuff in here that should be in Lets talk computers

yes, they want a closed ecosystem like it was before adopting x86. doing this could very well kill their PC division…or relegate them to being nothing more than an online consumption device like Chrome books n tops

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if there i one thing apple is good at is making their own original chips so I can see them pulling off some impressive performance off their arm processors. I think they are aiming to shift the tablet/laptop market to their what seems to be melding of the 2 devices with their new ipads. which leads me to believe they are purposely making their macbooks so shit when it comes to cooling and thermal throttling so when they show off their new arm chips working with their macbook/ipad replacements product. they can go "hey look at this chip rendering things faster than our (poorly cooled thermal throttling) x 86 based macbooks. but in all honesty if they start to push heavy arm based development in the overall consumer market I really dont mind that. I would love to have a super efficient and somewhat powerful laptop that has the ability to go to sleep and turn on as fast as my phone.