R2R / Multibit / Ladder DAC Discussion and tier list

Would def agree on the conductor comments, the dac really is just lackluster, the soloist 3xp is much more appealing when you ditch the internal dac

There’s some additional goings on in the power section of the Conductor and since the amp specs don’t line up 100% with the Soloist, there’s probably something more going on with the conductor. I can probably do what you suggest but at this point I’ve got the conductor and I didn’t actually spend money, just trades so if I move on from it I won’t be taking a $ hit. I don’t mind having the DAC in there since I think all in one units have an inherent appeal to some people. It’s just hard to go back once you’ve been tainted by $2k and up DACs…

All DACs are supposed to sound the same, yet I hear differences. I must be cursed! lol

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“The dac1321 is discontinued, will be replaced by a new dac1221.” says on the Soekris website.

Does anyone have any idea when this could happen? :stuck_out_tongue:

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Watched some videos about Ares II and stumbled across these two

Has anyone tried those “tweaks”? I will sure try the XLR thing out on my Soncoz as well :smiley:

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Someone local is selling a audio Gd r2r 11 dac/amp $280 usd and I was wonding if it’s still worth getting in late 2021

Personally not a fan, from a purely dac perspective I think it has lackluster dynamics, peakiness and an unrefined signature, and kinda just lacks good resolution and control. It has nice weight and impact with a wider stage but there’s not really any accuracy in that stage. Has power but not much finesse if used as an all in one to sum that up, amp doesn’t really do it any favors.

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I saw that too and looked for a test.
And there was a lot of criticism to be heard.
So I said to myself that the Ares is probably the better choice for a start, or even a Soekris.
Unfortunately, Soekris has some problems with the parts.
The successor to the 1321 is not available at the moment and cannot give any information about when and where.
Unfortunately, a decent R2R is not cheap to get started with.
And I don’t think that Raspberry boards etc. would be anything sensible in that respect.
The cheapest one I saw was the Pegasus Draco or whatever it’s called, but I have no idea how good it is.

I have mostly made a choice as far as that is concerned and still need a bit of time before it will be ready.

At the moment there is also a Mhdt Labs Havana on Ebay for just under $500 but UK.
If that should be interesting for you.
In Germany I saw an Ares 2 for just under 780€ used.

How does the Musician Pegasus compare to the Denafrips Ares II?

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If I only knew :smiley:

Shouldn’t be too different cause if i remember correctly they did find lots of “inspiration” from the ares XD

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Not sure if it’s the appropriate thread but anyone have experience with the hibiki sds? Recently picked up one since it looked interesting and the dcs ring dac esque design isn’t something you see many companies try to recreate. Was a potentially appealing price point, would be cool if it ends up comparing well to other options in the range, but I’ll only know when mine comes in lol

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Had it in, it’s pretty interesting, it honestly reminds me of the signature of an entry dcs and an airist r2r combined (closer to airist though), and technicality wise it’s somewhere inbetween. It’s generally fairly smooth with great density, a warmer sweeter leaning signature that’s a bit relaxed in the treble, and presentation is more forward and intimate. Stage wise it is a bit constrained, more depth than width with things taking a closer focus, but it’s not that big of a deal breaker, just something to note. Resolution wise it’s nice but not stand out for the price bracket. Timbre and tonality are pretty great leading to it sounding reasonably organic although the presentation somewhat distracts from that. Dynamically microdynamics are strong, but macro feels somewhat handicapped and restrained, same thing with overall impact feels more limp and a bit rounded, and overall control doesn’t really feel like it has good command of whatever is going on. So far those are the standouts from a sound perspective.

It is very very picky on what’s coming into it, the usb input is fairly lackluster, it does improve a fair bit with a nicer ddc or digital source, using a berkeley alpha usb really improved the sound, and using an antipodes k50 with it’s wordclock connected really really helped, so that was nice to see, improved sound overall and while it didn’t really correct the lackluster macrodynamics, stage compactness, and control and impact, it did improve them still and made them a bit less apparent. Keep the PLL on, it sounds a lot better. Interestingly, it’s more neutral with PLL off, but feels more overall flat or lifeless, is better with pll enabled. Wasn’t able to use the 10mhz clock in since I don’t have a master clock anymore. Balanced is better than single ended, se is more lackluster and not worth.

Currently it feels like the goal of this dac is to push everything forward in a casual and sweetened, softer way which while personally isn’t my taste is something I can respect and see some enjoying. Somewhat like how the morpheus goes about things, although the morpheus is a bit more relaxed, warmer midrange focused, and it’s presentation doesn’t have that wall of sound esque thing that the sonnet is so good at, sonnet also has better single ended and also stage wise doesn’t have that constrained feeling. I’d also say that the sonnet generally has better technical ability than the SDS if you use usb, but if you use a nicer digital source it will be a more even playing field.

I don’t really have that many headphone amps left, but out of what I had, I thought it paired best with the mass kobo 394 ii, gave it a bit more warmth and body than normal, and also tightened things up a fair bit for a pretty pleasing combo, although it’s intimacy with that combo could bother some. I also think it paired reasonably well with the eddie current studio t, overall helped with both space and macrodynamics while keeping the sweeter signature but it did feel a bit more rounded and loose than I personally prefer. I wish I still had my viva egoista 845 because that likely would have been a great combo and ended up somewhat more balanced and fun. Still though none of these are what you would want to pair for this dac, I have a feeling this might pair well with something like a gsx mini, burson soloist 3xp, sparkos aries, or pathos inpol ear, but I have no way to test that so can’t really comment there

If you really liked what the airist offered, this really seems like a logical upgrade, just make sure to have a tighter leaning balanced amp and a good digital source to bypass lackluster usb performance, could be worth a look, think it offers something different enough to be worthwhile within the price range (but make sure to have a good digital source, and in terms of value there might be better value options around the similar range)

In terms of other comparisons I don’t know if I have really had anything recently that would be a somewhat similar sort of signature or focus outside of the sonnet (which only reason I had it recently was for my recent 10 dac comparison), I’d like to compare to an exogal comet plus or a spring 3 kte since I think those might be good comparison points for the signature this somewhat goes for. Good contrast to this would likely be something like a yggy a2, dangerous music convert 2, or something like a xi sagra. In terms of taking the next step above, I personally think something like a aqua la voce s3 would be a step above in a similar vein but without a lot of the aforementioned complaints I had about the sds, another somewhat direct upgrade could potentially be a merason dac-1 or playback designs merlot. I do somewhat want to mention chord but I feel like the chord stuff is too different in how it represents transients and it’s almost embellishment or artificial polish that it gives to things that make them not as similar

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So here is another NOS R2R dac which I just purchased:

The MHDT Orchid
Orchid DAC is a non over-sampling, no digital filter, structured DAC. This tends to produce most realistic and natural sound.

Orchid DAC is capable of up to 24bits/192kHz digital signal inputs yet remains driving legendary TDA1541A R-2R digital to analog output.

The USB input section is in asynchronous operation.

Total four independent digital inputs; BNC, USB, RCA and Toslink.

The 4 digital inputs are independent to each other, only one among them will be active and is controlled by the tact switches located in front panel.

Tube buffered output, tube in stalled is 5670 tube.

Tubes can be used: 5670, 2C51, 396A, 6385, 6CC42, 6854, 6N3,

6854, CV2575, CV4013, CV5894, CV8247, CV2381

115/230V power supply selectable from internal PCB jump pins setting

The price is $1300 with a tube and a $100 upgrade for a different NOS tube: Ericsson CV 4013.

Nothing fancy here. Using an ancient Phillips TDA 1541A Dac chip…takes me back to the good ole days!

No filters, just attach a cable to one of four inputs, turn on etc…watch the subtle power up light show and pick it up in your player…and smile.

Oh a shamless plug, I bought this from MHDT USA distributor Linear Tube Audio in Maryland…great to deal with.

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Been testing with several amps and cans…

Latest this am:

Pretty sweet sounding…

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Its sold!
Did u get it ?

Added two switch boxes to easily switch between 3 amps and 3 dacs simple and fast.
My favorite listening setup lately has been the MHDT Orchid NOS dac to D8000 Pros using a multitude of amps.

The amp differences is small here to my ears but the dacs do seem to have a really different sound presentation…

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