Nice to see they fixed the bass and overly aggressive nature of the upper mids on the new 500LM
I’ve seen quite a few posts from you about the upcoming 500LM. From what you have so far hinted at, it’s a EA1000 killer. Is this so?
ARTTI T10 is like $60 and it’s fine.
It won’t be an EA1000 killer. It’s going for a different user base. It’s an alternative if you want a warmer, low end focused sound, from the looks of it. Better is just matching preferences, after all
aaa right, forgot about them since they are really new.
No prediction about passive radiators
They are a total meme after all.
I think you can toss the Kiwi Ears Melody in there too? So you were basically correct full stop.
Kiwi Ears Forteza
Non-sound: Shell size is average, but comfort is not good for me because of the wing it has (wings do not work well for my ears) and it also has pressure build up due to not having a vent near the nozzle side of the shell, there is a small vent near the 2pin connector to prevent driver flex but that does not alleviate pressure to me. Nozzle is pretty big at around 6mm wide, no lip on it although it gets a bit larger at the end of the tip at around 6.8mm, so smaller tips will not fit it. Cable is not as good looking (IMO) as other iems in this price range nowadays. Just a side note; the dual DD setup in this is basically the same as the one used in the Moondrop Blessing 3 and the JH Audio Jolene.
Sound: In stock, it is a a pretty big V-shaped tonality due to the recessed mids on it but the bass itself is not elevated that much as you would expect from the graph (due to the treble blasting all over it) and it is kinda akin to BA-bass in its nature (fast attack and decay and tight) although with pretty good texture, neither is there a lot of treble air. The 2-8k area is elevated a lot and is very bright (a bit too much for me). Overall it just ends up sounding like an iem with recessed mids alongside being very bright but without air alongside the pressure build up with the shell itself, so I do not recommend this. Unless you mod it.
In which case…
Kiwi Ears Forteza (4x2.5mm low density foam in BA bore) | Blon Z300 | |
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Sub-bass | + | - |
Mid-bass | + | - |
Lower-mids | = | = |
Upper-mids | - | + |
Treble | - | + |
Upper-treble | - | + |
Soundstage | - | + |
Imaging | + | - |
Separation | + | - |
Macro-detail | + | - |
Micro-detail | + | - |
Timbre | - | + |
Bass on the Forteza stomps the Z300 pretty damn hard, a LOT more texture and better extension while having a bit more quantity to it and at the same time being faster/tighter and quite a bit cleaner bass than the slower/bloatier Z300 bass. Male vocals are a lot more recessed on the Forteza than the Z300 but more detailed and cleaner and with better tonality (Z300 is better if you want more quantity but quality is better on the Forteza). Better timbre and tonality on the Z300 and not recessed like the Forteza. Treble is a lot airier, cleaner and brighter on the Z300 while the Forteza is kinda dark in comparison. Technicalities are a step up on the Forteza except for the stage which is pretty small and not as good timbre as the Z300. If you prefer a more balanced iem, the Z300 will be better. But if you want a dark-ish and relaxing upper-mids/treble alongide a bass boost but with fast/tight bass, the Forteza will be better.
Kiwi Ears Forteza (4x2.5mm low density foam in BA bore) | Simgot EA500 (red nozzle) | |
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Sub-bass | + | - |
Mid-bass | + | - |
Lower-mids | - | + |
Upper-mids | - | + |
Treble | = | = |
Upper-treble | - | + |
Soundstage | - | + |
Imaging | - | + |
Separation | - | + |
Macro-detail | - | + |
Micro-detail | - | + |
Timbre | - | + |
Sub-bass is a LOT more elevated on the Forteza, extends lower and rumbles a LOT more with more texture. Mid-bass quantity is perceived as higher on the Forteza since it has a LOT more texture there and is a bit tighter, although a bit slower than the EA500 bass and is less clean. Overall a lot better bass to my preferences on the Forteza. Male and female vocals on the other hand sucks on the Forteza compared to the EA500, a LOT more recessed and not as detailed and clean as the EA500 and with worse timbre and tonality. A LOT more air in the upper-treble on the EA500 and a lot brighter treble on it as well with a lot more detail, although it is not as relaxing/fatigue free as the Forteza and can be peaky/fatiguing on the EA500. Technicalities are a lot better on the EA500 due to the much brighter tonality compared to the darker Forteza and EA500 has the better timbre. If you want a more natural or more versatile/balanced set the EA500 is the better set, but if you want more bass and a more relaxing/fatigue-free tuning then the Forteza will be more suitable.
Kiwi Ears Forteza (4x2.5mm low density foam in BA bore) | ThieAudio Hype 2 | |
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Sub-bass | - | + |
Mid-bass | = | = |
Lower-mids | - | + |
Upper-mids | - | + |
Treble | - | + |
Upper-treble | - | + |
Soundstage | - | + |
Imaging | - | + |
Separation | - | + |
Macro-detail | - | + |
Micro-detail | - | + |
Timbre | + | - |
Sub-bass rumbles a lot more on the Forteza but extension is a bit better on the H2 along with being a bit more textured. Mid-bass is cleaner on the H2 as it is tighter and faster, and does not have as much quantity as the Forteza but texture is quite similar. Male vocals have a thicker note-weight and a lot warmer on the Forteza so suits some tracks (R&B/hip-hop for example) but is less versatile than the much cleaner/detailed H2 and H2 does not have the recessed vocals the Forteza has. Female vocals are a lot more tonally correct on the H2 due to the brighter tonality and more forward vocals along with being much cleaner/detailed, although timbre is a bit better on the Forteza. Treble is a LOT airier on the H2 and much more detailed and cleaner due to the brighter tonality compared to the darker and smoother Forteza. Technicalities are leagues ahead on the H2, although timbre is slightly better on the Forteza. Overall the Forteza is only really matching the H2 in the bass aspect while the other factors are clearly outclassed by the H2. Tonally speaking H2 is a more versatile iem, although if you prefer more bass along with a darker/smoother treble then the Forteza will be more suitable for you.
Conclusion: The Forteza is a hidden gem that needs to be polished (modded) for it to not be an iem that misses all its marks. But afterwards, it is a damn good set that is aimed at the niche suited for people that want a dark set while having powerful and textured bass that is not loose/slow as these iems tends to be (see the Final Audio E series) but decently fast/tight making it much cleaner overall while also being fun and relaxing. Which AFAIK is the only iem anywhere near its price range to do this so it is pretty much a default recommendation.
Stock rank: C+
Modded rank: A+
It sure looks good! Interesting read. Had desided agaist it, but modded sounds like it is good. Thanks!
will you review quintet?
…alright I give up, let me ask for it. (cant promise anything.)
Well, for you and the many others asking me to try the Quintet, it is on the way.
Simgot EW200
Non-sound: Comfortable shell due to the slightly smaller than average size and a good shape for my ears, has a good venting implementation with the inner vent and one near the 2pin connector which leads to no pressure issues. Cable is identical to the one in the EA500 except a different wire color, working chin-slider with plastic connectors/divider.
Comparisons:
Simgot EW200 | Simgot EA500 (red nozzle) | |
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Sub-bass | + | - |
Mid-bass | = | = |
Lower-mids | - | + |
Upper-mids | + | - |
Treble | - | + |
Upper-treble | = | = |
Soundstage | - | + |
Imaging | - | + |
Separation | = | = |
Macro-detail | = | = |
Micro-detail | = | = |
Timbre | = | = |
Sub-bass quantity is a bit higher than the EA500 and does rumble a bit more but extends a bit lower on the EA500. Mid-bass quantity is higher on the EA500 and does make it have a thicker sound compared to the thinner and cleaner EW200 but texture is comparable while the EW200 has a tighter bass. Male vocals are warmer tonally and thicker note-weight on the EA500 while the quantity is similar. Female vocals are a bit more forward on the EW200, brighter and cleaner sounding although can be a bit sharp sometimes where it is smoother on the EA500. Treble is brighter and airier on the EW200 but is a bit too much for me and it is peakier than the EA500 as well. Technicalities are similar as well as the timbre, although the stage is better on the EA500 as it does have some depth to it (and slightly better imaging) while the EW200 is pretty average. Overall, the EA500 is a bit more versatile but would suit genres like rock/metal more than the EW200 which does better in genres like classical/OST. Personally, I prefer the EA500 a bit more but the clear winner in value is obviously the EW200 as it is half the price of the EA500.
Simgot EW200 | Simgot EM6L | |
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Sub-bass | = | = |
Mid-bass | + | - |
Lower-mids | - | + |
Upper-mids | - | + |
Treble | - | + |
Upper-treble | - | + |
Soundstage | - | + |
Imaging | - | + |
Separation | - | + |
Macro-detail | - | + |
Micro-detail | - | + |
Timbre | + | - |
Sub-bass extends a bit lower on the EM6L but rumbles a bit more on the EW200, otherwise very similar. Mid-bass on the other hand has more texture in the EW200 and a bit more quantity while the EM6L has a faster decay to it. Male vocals are slightly warmer on the EW200 but a bit more forward and cleaner/more detailed on the EM6L. Female vocals are quite similar tonally but is a lot smoother on the EM6L and while the EW200 can be shouty and sharp, the EM6L is not. Treble is airier on the EM6L and slightly brighter than the EW200 but ends up less fatiguing due to how smooth it is compared to the peakier EW200. Technicalities are a step up on the EM6L although the timbre is better on the EW200. Overall, you could say that the EM6L is mostly a direct upgrade over the EW200 both being suited for the same library (OST/Classical, female vocal focused stuff) with the difference being that the EM6L is a lot smoother than the EW200 and the bass on the EW200 being a bit better overall.
Conclusion: The EW200 is very likely one of the best values iems you can get out there right now and would be an excellent recommendation for any newbies. It is however also not a special set that anyone that already has a large collection of iems needs to own.
Rank: A
I placed 350 mesh over the EW200 nozzle and it smoothed out some peaks. It’s best IEM for the money for sure.
Finally got ears on Saber 3, sir.
#LetRikuCook
Nice nice, very nice
Received my first set of RikuBuds (the GAS 3) this week (on the same day I received a long-delayed package including a supa clean, pre-modded EX800st)
Slow going here, since I committed an Antihelix offense on my left ear and I need to tread lightly to avoid setting off the alarms (stupid, really, since I was knuckleheadedly seeking out the physical sensation of a more “secure” fit on my funky left when said fit was neither achievable nor necessary, given the aforementioned funkiness and the reality that this set will be used 75% at my serene office desk, another 20% in my “listening chair” and maybe 5% in nicer weather on a park bench or Adirondack chair in the yard).
Anyway, I have been able to confirm my expectation that this set will happily be my trusty companion for the “coming back to earth phase” of this hobby, wherein I spend far less time relentlessly trawling for-sale listings and scratching my head over just what the hell I thought I was getting up to in diving in bankcard first, and far more time simply melting away into the music. And murmuring merhumblegrumble far, far less…
Early star player: midbass. “On a bud?” you say as your eyebrow arches skyward… Why yes, yes in fact, say I. Articulate, dynamic and responsive without being too much of a show-off, well-balanced with the rest of the sound signature, full of fascinating texture and expressive variation, never compressed, halfway-to-Outer-Deafton bass.
Bass in the particular (as in the musical output from the instrument(s) that fulfill that function, not the entire region of the tonal spectrum or each and every thing lurking in it) will always be a primary focus in my listening, and for a huge portion of my library, the GAS 3 replays in a gratifying way. Now, is it a complete, end-game bass replay? Nope. My listening endgame has to have more available in the sub-bass - reproducing in relatively unattenuated level down to roughly 30 hz, and my current understanding is that this level of sub-bass is not the thing you just toss into an earbud replay with an insouciant flip, especially not when a balanced sound signature is the goal. And, sure enough, no magic sub-bass here (although beating out some “balanced” IEMs I’ve tried).
But here’s the rub for me - I needs my bass, but not at the expense of the rest of the shebang.
So, for the experience I’m seeking when I’m seeking a balanced 'bud, this is doing it for me, and doing it while foregrounding the music and ratcheting back the analysis and the nitpickery. And the merhumblegrumblery.
More later.
My fav bud of 2023 and my listening go to most of the time since…that and Z1R
Tangzu Tang Sancai Wide bore version:
Similar to the narrow bore version except this has slightly more mids, a bit less bass but also smoothens out the treble and reduces it more in comparison. Very different from usual wide bore tips as they tend to increase treble.
If you have an iem with too much bass and too much treble quantity (or peaky) this works great. It can also be a great complement to an iem that already has super smooth treble, like the simgot em6l. The height is relatively short so can also work well for TWS iems.
As someone that usually do not like wide bore tips because of the treble increase, this is quite the special tip.
Kiwi Ears Quintet
Non-sound: The shell is pretty big and it has a wing, so it is not good comfort wise for me, along with the bad vent implementation (no inner vent) which leads to it having some pressure build up. 4-core cable has a working chin-slider with metal divider and connectors, a bit on the heavier side.
Comparisons:
Kiwi Ears Quintet | ThieAudio Hype 2 | |
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Sub-bass | - | + |
Mid-bass | - | + |
Lower-mids | - | + |
Upper-mids | + | - |
Treble | - | + |
Upper-treble | + | - |
Soundstage | = | = |
Imaging | + | - |
Separation | = | = |
Macro-detail | = | = |
Micro-detail | + | - |
Timbre | - | + |
Sub-bass extends lower and rumbles a bit more on the H2. Mid-bass texture is better on the H2 and is tighter, similar speed and quantity though but cleaner sounding on the H2. Male vocal tonality is pretty similar but is cleaner and more forward on the H2. Female vocals are a bit brighter and very slightly thinner note-weight on the Quintet, although timbre is noticeably worse on it compared to the H2. Treble is a lot sparkier, airy, thinner note-weight and less smooth and a bit brighter on the Quintet, it is more energetic overall, I prefer the smoother/warmer H2 treble personally but quality wise they are similar. Stage is wider on the Quintet but deeper on the H2, a bit better imaging and micro-details on the Quintet. Better timbre and coherency on the H2, although the Quintet is not bad especially considering it has 4 different driver types (DD + BA + Planar + Piezo).
Kiwi Ears Quintet | Kiwi Ears Forteza (4x2.5mm low density foam in BA bore) | |
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Sub-bass | - | + |
Mid-bass | - | + |
Lower-mids | - | + |
Upper-mids | + | - |
Treble | = | = |
Upper-treble | + | - |
Soundstage | = | = |
Imaging | + | - |
Separation | + | - |
Macro-detail | + | - |
Micro-detail | + | - |
Timbre | - | + |
Sub-bass rumbles a ton more on the Forteza and extends a bit deeper. Mid-bass texture is a lot better on the Forteza and quantity is quite a bit more, although not as clean due to the slower/looser bass. Male vocals are more forward on the Quintet but a lot more natural on the Forteza due to the tonality (warmer and thicker note-weight) along with a more natural timbre, although the Quintet is cleaner. Female vocals are more forward, cleaner and more natural due to the tonality (brighter), timbre is still better on the Forteza though. Treble is very much an apple-to-oranges comparison as the Forteza is quite a bit darker and more relaxing/smoother compared to the brigher, airier and more energetic Quintet. Technicalities is a lot better on the Quintet, besides the stage which is a lot deeper and have a bit more of a 3d presentation on the Forteza compared to the wider and more 2d Quintet. Timbre (and coherency) is a lot better on the Forteza so overall is more natural. They are pretty much 2 completely different iems, so if you prefer brighter, leaner and more energetic sets the Quintet will be better, while if you prefer bassier, darker and smoother/relaxing sets the Forteza will be more suitable.
Kiwi Ears Quintet | Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lite | |
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Sub-bass | = | = |
Mid-bass | + | - |
Lower-mids | + | - |
Upper-mids | - | + |
Treble | - | + |
Upper-treble | - | + |
Soundstage | - | + |
Imaging | - | + |
Separation | = | = |
Macro-detail | = | = |
Micro-detail | + | - |
Timbre | - | + |
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Sub-bass rumbles a bit more on the Quintet and extends a bit lower but texture and speed are similar while it is a bit tighter on the Quintet. Mid-bass speed is faster on the Orc but similar tightness while texture is slightly better on the Quintet and quantity is higher on the Quintet. Male vocals are a bit more forward on the Orc while note-weight is similar but it is a bit warmer on the Quintet and sounds a bit cleaner. Female vocals are a bit more forward and brighter on the Quintet but also have a thinner note-weight and does not sound as natural as the Orc. Treble is brighter on the quintet and has more energy and a bit thinner note-weight as well, they are somewhat similar in smoothness but the Orc ends up a bit less fatiguing and have a better tonal balance, coherency difference is quite apparent here with these 2 as the Quintet bass is thicker than the treble note-weight which is not the case with the Orc. Technicalities are similar except that the Orc has a much wider stage with better imaging along with more natural timbre overall and much better coherency. Overall, the Orc is the better tuned iem and with much better tonal balance overall. While the Quintet does have more (treble) energy and if you prefer something like that, then the quintet will be more suitable than the Orc, but other than that the Orc as a whole is much better than the quintet.
Overall: While the Quintet is tuned decently well, that is not really anything special in the iem world nowadays and I honestly do not find it to be anything special and even their own lineup beats it. I do not recommend this.
Rank: B+