I agree for the bass and mids section. The treble is really another story, though. They do share a common DNA, more cousins than brothers.
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Got the Plussound X6 Copper cable for the Z1R. Comfort is largely improved. Beautiful cable with special mmcx connectors.
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Got the Traillii on loan for a week. The vocals are incredibly well-rendered.
The Sonys have a hard time keeping the pace in that register. The level of details also is a step above on the Traillii. Thatās about all so far. The Z1R have much better bass (quantity, quality, layers, precision) and the treble slightly has the edge over the Oriolus.
Two complementary IEMs I would say after 2 hours of listening.
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Beautiful 
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For electronic music, do you still prefer the Z1R before the Vega?
I was having doubts between the Vega B-stock, for 499 usd (so, probably I have to add tariffs), or a Z1R used (2 years), for 1050ā¬, in what appears to be very good condition from someone on Head-fi.
I ended up buying the Z1R. After so much time reading and watching reviews about how good they are, I really have to try them by myself. Worst case scenario I think that I could sell them without a big loss.
About the Vega, I was thinking to buy them because I love the Cascades, and I would like an IEM version of themā¦ But at the same time, it seems like duplicating gearā¦
In any case, Z1R it is. I am so hyped right now. Canāt wait to try them.
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Ok, two moths later I have not got a lot of time to use them, not as much as I would have liked, but I have had enough to be in love with them. Thereās no way I will sell them.
I love the elevated bass, the bass quality, the āsmooth as fuckā treble and the general presence of mids. I donāt understand how anyone can say that mids are recessed. I only got that impression with the foam tipsā¦
I have been trying several tips, but I have not arrived at a conclusion about deep or non deep fit. It is clear that thses were designed to be deep inserted, but even with the small tip (I still have to try the smallest oneā¦) they put some pressure inside the ear canal, but then they are great for my outside ear. If I use a bigger tip, the regular ones that I use in all my IEMS, then ear canal is safe, but they get hot spots in my ear very fast, and they become less comfortable than deep insertion. So, at this point I am more inclined on deep insertion than going for the bigger tip option, the one I am used in other iems.
I am surprised that I have not found a big sound difference between deep or not deep option. Itās more a comfort issueā¦
So, itās the general consensus that deep insertion is better? They do really seem to be designed for that, Or itās just a comfort issue depending on ear canal or general ear size?
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My understanding is the consensus advises deep insertion for improved treble. Crinacle mentioned this in his video review and Iāve seen it recommended numerous times on various forums.
Personally, they sound the same to me at any insertion depth.
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Crinās Z1R Re-doā¦
It still gets reviewedā¦
Andā¦
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Just auditioned these IEMs.
Big Ass Bass - Yes
Worth the money - Absolutely Not
Tonal Balance - Not a good kind of V Shape
Fit - Good for me
Alternatives ? Spectrumica
Nope not really but organic and with great texture.
Some of the best treble out there
I can see the mid dip being a problem for some but itās never effected my enjoyment
After last years London Canjam there were only a couple of sets Iād take over them and that would cost me big time and donāt forget Z1R was released in 2018!
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Hmm interesting. Mids are coloured and I got the approach,
So mids were not the Problem. The problem was the lower treble. It was piercing to me.
As a 2018 Flagship - respect.
I think I shouldāve used some darker sources, used Mojo 2 mainly.
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Iāve never really had a problem with sources per say but tips are a thing for sure 
but man you know that set is built to withstand anything this world or outer space can throw at it 
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the heft of the IEM. Sheesh, tank
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