Upgrade from FX-Audio X6, ifi Zen CAN?

Hey Everyone,

Actually bought the FX-Audio X6 based on an old review from Zeos back when I was picking up my HD 6XX’s. Was a big upgrade since I was coming from an old pair of HD 555’s run off my PC.

Was really interested in taking a look at the ifi Zen DAC or even the ifi Zen CAN that just launched. Just would have to find a DAC to pair with it if ifi doesn’t launch the DAC separate like they did for Drop release.

Any thoughts on potential upgrading? Been leaning toward balanced if I can as well.

Hi! Welcome to HFGF!

What budget are you looking at here? The Zen CAN lists for $170 right now, but is only an amp. Do you plan to use the FX as a DAC to feed it, or are you looking for both an amp and a dac?

Personally, I would not recommend the standard Zen Dac to run the 6xx. Its amp doesn’t really have the power and the DAC in it gives the sound a warm color. IMO, it rolls off the treble too much and makes the 6xx sound dull and lifeless. The Zen CAN addresses this by having that EQ circuit specifically for the 6xx.

Once you reply with your budget and whether you just want an amp or both and amp and a dac we can give you more options.

Cheers.

I have not really thought about a defined budget just yet. Personally, not wanting to go overboard but would be open to some options if worth the money. But, also understand that I am new to higher end audio so what I have right now is the best setup I have heard. Realistically probably would try to stick to under $500 if I was going to stick to a separate AMP and DAC.

Most of my experience here would be based on the FX-Audio X6 AMP/DAC combo that I am running.

“The Zen CAN addresses this by having that EQ circuit specifically for the 6xx.”

This is what partially made me consider the Zen CAN. After seeing Zeos’s review on the Drop version made me consider spending a little more to do something like that. Just was not sure what would be a good DAC option.

Didn’t really even consider to just use the X6 as the DAC. But, was thinking I would try to go balanced if I was going to upgrade. And, if that was the case I would need a DAC and AMP then.

OK. $500 gives you quite a few options, but tbh, I don’t think I recommend you drop that much on a stack of electronics right now. Do you have much experience with other headphones? If not, I think you might get more mileage out of a modest upgrade to amp and dac and then throw the bulk of that money at a different set of headphones. With rare exception, changing headphones is going to change your sound the most. Once you have headphones you know you like, then you start chasing the amp, then dac that make them sing the best. In general, I recommend you go headphones (or speakers) > amp > dac it spending priority.

If you know you truly love the 6XX already, the best you thing can do for them is tube them. The 6XX absolutely jumps to life off a tube amp. On the low end of price there is the Little Dot mkii. One step up is the Darkvoice 336SE (which Drop sells for ~$200 about once per quarter). Those are not the best tube amps by any stretch, but they will transform your 6XX in ways you really have to hear to believe. If you go this route, then any DAC from the SMSL M100 or Sanskrit 10th Anniversary Edition, Topping D10, D10s, or E30, or EarMen Donald DAC, or JDS Labs Atom DAC will do the job just fine. Again, if your goal is to explore headphones or learn what the true sound of a headphone is, steer clear of the Zen. Don’t get me wrong, the Zen is a fine product. I have one and I quickly realized its strengths. But IMO you have to know you want its sound to go that route.

Want to try different headphones? Grab any of the DACs I just mentioned, and any of the JDS Labs Atom amp, Schiit Magni 3+ or Magni Heresy, or Monolith Liquid Spark for an amp (my personal recs are either the 3+ or the Spark, but they’re all really excellent for the price). In theory, you can get such an amp and dac combo for $200. Now you have up to $300 to try new headphones. Like a thick, bassy sound? Look at Meze 99 Noir. Like a bright sound with lots of detail and great soundstage and imaging? Beyerdynamic DT880 600 ohm. A more balanced signature? Massdrop + HiFiMan HE-4XX. A V-signature? Fostex T50RPmk3 w/ Shure 1540 pads. You could even look for a used HiFiMan Sundara for a neutral-bright signature and a slight overall uptick in performance from most on this list.

Last point:

TBH, this isn’t necessary. A well designed unbalanced (aka single-ended or SE) setup and a well-designed balanced setup will have no difference in sound quality. The balanced design is a little more resistant to signal interference, but on a desktop setup that is almost never an issue. For the headphones themselves, balanced or single ended makes no difference at all. It’s with the electronics (amps and dacs) where the difference will show up, if there is one. In general, a balanced unit will sound better when its utilized in balanced mode over SE mode because it was designed around being balanced and SE was thrown in as a convenience. But, with again rare exception, this tends to only show up when you’re spending say $500 on a single piece and not for the whole stack.

Apologies if that’s information overload. Don’t hesitate to ask questions.

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Do you have much experience with other headphones?

So my experience for higher end audio headphones has been around a couple different headphones. I have owned HD555’s and M40X’s. Was able to listen to HD600’s and HD650’s. Found myself leaning more toward open back headphones and really liked the HD650’s, just not the price back then.

Ended up picking up the HD6XX’s when they were announced. I did get to listen to them compared to HD650’s on this X6 I have and found myself liking the HD6XX’s over the HD650’s. Might be personal bias given the cost difference but have really liked the overall sound. A little more bass would be nice for music, but I use these for everything media and gaming from my PC. Was leaning toward that ifi Zen CAN because of the added bass option might bring that up a bit for music.

If you know you truly love the 6XX already, the best you thing can do for them is tube them

Was considering this as well. Have never really heard any headphones hooked up to tubes so I didn’t really have a frame of reference. But, did see that in most reviews that the HD6XX’s really change with hooked up to tubes over a solid state. Most of my other high end audio experience has been with more home theater setups and not headphones that typically require additional power.

TBH, this isn’t necessary. A well designed unbalanced (aka single-ended or SE) setup and a well-designed balanced setup will have no difference in sound quality.

Good to know. Several reviews I was seeing talked about this being a slight increase in quality but most from someone more well versed than I am in this space.

Apologies if that’s information overload. Don’t hesitate to ask questions.

I wouldn’t say information overload. I tend to research a lot on products before buying. Partial because I want to know more about the subject as well. Thanks for all the input.

I have not heard the Zen CAN. But I do know the bass hits deep and hard from the 6xx when tube amped. My understanding is the Zen CAN’s 6xx EQ curve is attempting to emulate the tube effect.

I have not heard the Zen CAN. But I do know the bass hits deep and hard from the 6xx when tube amped. My understanding is the Zen CAN’s 6xx EQ curve is attempting to emulate the tube effect.

Gotcha, I do notice the bass more if I am turning my X6 up to about the 11 o’clock position for the volume knob. But, probably not over-exaggerated like some mainstream headphones. I will probably have to start taking a serious look at a tube amp then and try one out.

Any potential issues or downsides with just trying to repose my X6 as just a DAC in the interim before buying a stand alone?

None. This will work just fine. The dacs mentioned above will sound slightly better, but this will be fully functional.

Good to know. Thanks again for all the help and feedback.

You bet. Please report back what you end up with.