Has anyone warned you about d10 clones? I’d verify you buy from an authorized dealer or on ebay contact the seller ahead of time
Yea, looking online and seeing a bunch of people complaining about clones. Taking a look around.
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Honestly I would just say sundaras, they most likely will do what you want them to lol
I mean personally I would stick with the asgard 3, but the archel 2.5 pro is also good (but personally I prefer the a3 more with the sundara). The smsl m100 is also solid as well.
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Thoughts on just going geshelli archel 2.5, enog 2, and sundara?
That would be pretty sweet, you would get a slightly cleaner sound than the asgard 3 but loose out on some impact, but it would be pretty sweet, can recommend
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That sounds wicked appealing. Total cost comes to somewhere around $800 total.
Ok, options so far:
- Archel 2.5 + Enog + Sundara = ~$750
- Asgard 3 + Enog + Sundara = ~$750
- Asgard 3 + D10 + Sundara = ~$700
- Asgard 3 + D10 + Elex (Used) = ~$725
- Asgard 3 + Enog + HE560 = ~$800
Thoughts? Alternatives? I’m currently leaning heavily towards the first or fourth options. Doing a bit more research.
Hmmmm. I would personally pick option 2 for myself
Edit: and 4th since I didn’t see it
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Yeah 4th is the most appealing to me here
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So people seem to like #4. D10 vs Enog for that? Enog’s double the price but stays relevant for balanced upgrade in the future. Any real performance difference between the two?
The enog 2 is pretty much a step up imo.
I’m just a country boy. How do people use the Enog without USB in?
mmmm. option 4 went up to $1000. Used one I found was apparently sold :’(
Gonna be looking at option 2 unless I can find another used Elex.
Optical / Toslink most likely. That’s what I’d be using for my desktop.
There’s also a coax output, but I don’t think my mobo has a coax port 
. Checking now
So Elex is out for now 
. No cheap options that I can find. Sundara it is if I’m just grabbing the headphones.
Second questions, headphone upgrade or DAC/Amp upgrade? If I were to go to Enog + Archel, Enog + Asgard, Enog + THX 789, do any of you think it would be a big difference to the current Hel + Magni Heresy setup? If I were to just grab those and save for an Elex further down the line, does that sound like a good idea? Would having an Asgard/THX 789/Archel + Enog with the HE-4xx / 990 250 ohms be worth it over the hel + heresy combo with a sundara?
With the sundara yes imo. Also I wouldn’t suggest buying a 789 as imo you already have a higher preforming amp lol (the heresy).
Here is what I would actually do. I would buy an elex and stick with your current dac amp setup, and then down the line buy an enog 2 pro and then upgrade your amp later on once again.
IMO somewhat yes but I don’t think it would be as large of an improvement as new headphones
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Ok, so if sundara, get the amp/dac will be an additional noticeable improvement.
789 performs worse than Heresy? This is the first time I’ve heard this. Are you willing to elaborate?
Mmm, ok. Debating, but this seems likely. I’m thinking of doing it DAC, Headphone, Amp if possible. The DAC improvement might not be super noticeable, but I’d like to wait and see if I can get an Elex on sale or used for less than $600. If not I can always just default to the Sundaras.
Ok, makes sense. Still a noticeable improvement though?
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I am not a fan of thx lol, I genuinely prefer an atom or heresy over the thx amps, they sound better to my ears. Thx has an overly sharpened sound, is poor with spatial recreation and separation, and an off timbre than it should have, not a fan lol
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I feel the a3 does this really well
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Ok, thank you all so much for your help 
I have put the money down for the Enog. Will be looking for a used Elex till the 1st. If one shows up (or I get reallllly convinced the Elex is that much better) I’ll grab an Elex, otherwise I’ll grab a Sundara.
The Asgard 3 will be the last upgrade when I get around to it. Any opinions on tubes for the Sundara and/or the Elex?