Thank you 
Got it. Thanks.
@Falenkor
I´ve seen your Competitive Headphone post and I was wondering if the Magni/Modi3 or Heresy Combo as option, is it “better” then de iFi ones? It´s identical? The price is nearly the same in my case.
Pairing the Topping D10s or E30 with iFi ZEN CAN would be nice too?? Or with another
Bah… the more I think about the oprions, the more undecided i get 
magni and modi or heresy will be stronger and a better setup than the zen dac… in zen cans case you do lose the extra bass buttons and the xspace or whatever from zen can over there… however, you really don’t need to worry about balanced cables with those units and they are quite strong… enough to power 600 ohm beyers. bit different sounding not as warm and a bit more neutral with some colorations nonetheless very good. It would be a solid alternative if you want something without the need of balanced cables and don’t care for the extra buttons on the units
So if I go for the 58X Jubilee probably I should go for the ZEN DAC/CAN, if I go with the DT 990, I should probably go for the Magni/Modi3 or Heresy, right?
If 600 ohm 990 I’d say schiit or monoprice liquid spark if 250 ohm then run ifi as you can save money
Hey,
so I ended up going with the DT990 PRO 250 ohm + iFi Zen Dac. For music, I’m enjoying a lot the headphones. I can really tell the difference from my Cloud Alphas. In gaming, specially in Valorant, I feel like they sound really low, is this normal? Is it because of being open and the bigger soundstage?
I use them with the high gain (power match) and the volume knob for 13/14 o’clock for music and they get loud pass that. For gaming same thing with the high gain and I set the volume knob to the max and they sound really low…
That is odd, perhaps an issue with the amp? I have the zen dac and the 990 edition 250 ohm and it powers them around the 2 oclock zone. Do you have the pc volume and game volume set to maximum?
I dont know actually…
Exactly, so do mine with music, but in game its maxed out and it sounds super low.
I do, everything is set to max with no effects on
if it powers them just fine with music but not the game, its definitely not the amp or the headphone… might be something to do with the game. Can’t really speak for valorant or Id go check…
Something you can do however, go grab peace apo(its free), download its driver onto the ifi zen(also btw do make sure zen dac over there is updated on firmware) which is easy to do, then just bump the preamp slider at the top it should boost your volume up higher to respectable levels without causing issue
a stage thats as big as 990 can also create a lower sound though btw… 990 being quite airy it definitely will sound different… but the volume itself shouldnt be low
Yes but the game its on max volume settings… Maybe I’m just too used to the Cloud Alphas? 
I didn’t update my firmware, I don’t understand which one to get…
I would think its just the most recent
it may be… im not sure how loud you are considering is “quiet” lol
Low its like I putting the volume knob at 9o clock with music 
Might be a dumb question but is the game volume turned down in the windows volume mixer?
No, its on max. I already confirmed.
Already updated the firmware to the latest available. No difference.
Maybe this is really just my ears being accustomed to the Cloud Alphas “close” positioning. But it makes me prefer the Clouds for gaming 
because it seems I listen to everything a lot better…
@Falenkor
Originally the Preamp settings were @-6db, Ive set it to 10db and it works like a charm. Now the game is ok.
ah yep there we go.
if your using any form of EQ, you only need enough preamp to rebalance out the connection as lacking in preamp makes things sound off in a form of compression, veil, hollow, tinny, etc. Otherwise you can use some preamp for additional volume as long as it doesn’t cause the signature to break up through forms of distortion and other problems. It’s mainly up to preference
no, preamp is just amplifications. Only changing the bar graph there into different areas will change your signature…
Ok, I think I got it. Isn’t it weird that "stock ",the Zen Dac comes -6db? or is it because its default on the APO program?
That is a bit odd, not sure honestly… I didn’t have that when I first set it all up.
Though, long as your good to go… enjoy the hell out of it
I guess I’m good, yes. Still, just wondering why on games it sounds low and not on music, video…and having to use a “software” for it to work good kinda annoys me.
yeah that is quite odd… not sure what thats about honestly.
Could always upgrade your setup if you want to later if its that annoying… zen dac is nice but absolutely not the most powerful
Yeah, guess ill upgrade to the Zen Can later or something else.
UPDATE: Got the Zen Can.
so now I have the Can connected do the Dac with RCA cables. Using the Dac on Variable instead of Fixed (switch in the back) makes the Can sound louder does this make sense? shouldn’t it be the other way around? Can you guys explain it better?
Regarding the sound in game (Valorant) the problem persists, kinda, so to get a “good volume” I have like I said previously the switch on the Dac set to Variable, the Can with +12db gain on the switch, volume turned to 16h, the Dac maxed out volume and with the power match button on…
The sound is good like this but when something more “harsh” happens in game (mixed explosions for example) i get a really high distortion sound. Other than that it sounds great. I just found weird that my Cloud Alphas sound better overall. 
