560s vs Tygr 300 r vs PC38x vs 880 (600ohm)

This is my shootout for around $200ish (usd) headphones for music only. 880’s are my current daily driver used with eq from oratory1990 using peace apo. All tested using Emotiva BasX A-100 at roughly the same volume to my ears. Listened to each song all the way through with 1 headphone before switching to the next.


Green=1st place
Yellow=2nd place
Red= 3rd place
Grey= 4th place

This does not mean that any of the headphones are bad, they are not for sure. I forced myself to not go with any ties as the Tygr and 560s would likely have tied in at least 2 of the songs. It was a bit unfair to put the PC38X (suede pads) on here as although still not bad, was not on par with the other 3, might do a 58X comparison later on.

Listening to any of the other 3 on their own without any comparison to the others and they are all fantastic. I was listening to the 560s for hours throughout this week. Its only when I start A-B’ing when i really start to form preferences. I was surprised with much lower I had to put the volume at for the 560’s and the sound staging and imaging so I might throw them in a gaming comparison with Tygr and PC38X and see what happens.

UPDATE: Gaming wise on my Ps4, 880 and 560s just are too low volume to be useable directly through the controller. PC38X does an amazing job of in game sounds. Volume is maxed on the system and the headset, but theres some room to lower it from the headset and still be enjoyable. Wish the mic was on par with the modmic wireless being as large as it is. Tyrgr does a good enough job but id still prefer the PC38X purely for console gaming

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Interesting write up. What pads did you use on the PC38x?

I used the suede pads. I found them much more comfortable and I didnt notice much of a sound difference so with comfort at that point

@Cb1scu1t I am looking in the $150-200 range and if you had to recommend a set of headphones (ignoring my audio preferences) in this range which would it be? My current contenders are the dt880s, 990s, 560s, 58x, and tygr 300. They will be used for gaming and music not super competitive in gaming so I don’t need an amazing soundstage and imaging but I think I would prefer audio quality>imaging>soundstage. My audio preferences are all over the place but the single commonality is that my music tends to have vocal harmonies (think barbershop and shanty music).

if gaming at all competitively and wanting vocal performance definitely the DT 880 in my opinion there. Haven’t tried the 560s yet. Can say the 58x though sounds gorgeous with it’s neutrality and well rounded nature so that would work too granted I think soundstage and imaging is better on the 880s. Tygrs are not the best for vocality and are a redone up 990 both are recessed in the mids with the 990s sounding more recessed due the upper mid scoop

Viewed from left to right, the following would be -my personal- preference:

For music:

For games:

sorry my brain wants to understand but I want to make sure I completely understand. Left to right as in left is #1 and it goes down from there or left to right as in left is worst and it ascends to #1 furthest right?
Also I am not familiar with all sennheisers just by looking at their silhouette which pair are those? Also also what ohms are your 880 and 990s? I just finished zeos’ review of the 58x where he compares them to the 660s and that might have just sold them for me unless someone can convince me the dt880s, dt990s, 300r are better.

I am surprised you would put the 990 over the 880 for gaming.

:smiley:

Left ist #1 “to me”
and it is the HD560S

The Beyer’s are both 600 Ohms

And no, the 56x’es are not like the HD660’s wich have more punch and more detail definition even after I mod the 56X’es, this is why I sold them after I pickt the 660’s.

For me, the 560s is tuned perfectly. I tried EQing it, but found the natural tuning on it to be excellent. Where it lacks compared with my Sundaras is in detail and resolution.

If the 560s had the detail, slam, sound stage, and resolution of the Sundara’s, it could be the perfect headphone.

Or the other way around, if the Sundaras had the 560s tuning, they are excellent, although I trust Sennheiser’s quality control much more than Hifiman.

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:+1:t2:

If you have both pairs, you’ve made a very good match and you’ve done absolutely nothing wrong!

:beers:

As far as gaming goes, i want to say id got 560s > 880 > Tygr (have not heard 990s yet). Music id go 880 > Tygr > 560s. If im at my desk im using my 880’s, if im at my ps4 in the living room well i kinda have to go tygr by default although im thinking ill keep the PC38X to fill that niche and can easily take them on the go to a friends house.