šŸ”¶ 7HZ Timeless Planar

Neither of the spots you mentioned were issues for me on my Timeless, and I made a point of making sure I had no EQ first. I listened to those sections a few times and was not picking it up. The cymbals were pretty hot in that same time range just short of the 1 minute mark on the first track.

The thing you did do, was manage to convince that the people who did the sound engineering should not be allowed to do that again, mostly due to lack of human empathy. The second track has a high pitched tone around the 1:10 mark and it continues for a while. I bothered to look up the sound engineer, Brian Robbins. I was relieved to discover that he is now chairman and CEO of Paramount Pictures and will likely never be in a mixing booth again.

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Yes, I understand that. Hence why Iā€™m trying to see if itā€™s me, my set or the song.

I will admit itā€™s not that bad without EQ but itā€™s really bad even with a mild teble boost.

@John_W_Clark so are you saying itā€™s the music and not my set or my ears? That was my previous stance.

But. ER2SE and HD560S donā€™t have this problem, could it be this song + my ear canal?

ER2SE goes really deep and 560S isnā€™t an IEM so their sound ocmes to my eardrum differently.

So, whatā€™s the middle ground. Do you know of any well recorded, well mastered songs that I can use to test this?

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I thought maybe you were being a bit harsh but then I listened and it sounded like tinnitus. LOL. I donā€™t know what they were thinking thereā€¦

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I just noticed I have a 4db cut at 6500hz in poweramp, probably inspired by this guy

But listening without EQ those timestamps donā€™t sound terrible to me.

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My default EQ on the Timeless is to pull the 8k down 2db, which was why I made made a point of turning it off. I didnā€™t want it to interfere with that 6.5k spot.

I wouldnā€™t expect a correctly tuned Timeless to give many problems at 6.5k, but I know some people are sensitive in that range.

I want to say they are messed up, but maybe my middle aged ears arenā€™t hearing the sibilance. That seems unlikely, since I can still hear that tone, which I am guessing is around 12k.

LOL, yeah I was not sure if I was communicating that well. It was more like horror and shock that anyone did that on purpose. I was half expecting it to be some protege of Christopher Nolan. I love the concepts for his films, but his sound is so awful they are almost unwatchable.

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Iā€™m really digging this look ( Senlee 8 Core MMCX cable)

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What cable is that?

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B087C6WYK2

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From headphonesty: Review: 7Hz Timeless ā€“ an Accomplishment - Headphonesty

Thatā€™s some stage channel imbalanceā€¦

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Has anyone swapped cables and got a definite sound improvement?
If so, which cable, and what sound improvement?

I am using a Xinhs 4 core graphene cable on my Timeless today, and I donā€™t hear a difference. That said, the stock Timeless cable is a silver-plated single crystal copper that is foil wrapped, so 7Hz was trying to make a quality cable for this IEM.

I own a few nice cables, but tend to do so because I liked the way they looked, or measured electrically. I own two Xinhs cables, but the blue one I bought to go with my blue Mele was all about how dope it looked. I am happy to report they both sound great too. This one was a case where I wanted to try out graphene and I have, it is interesting and makes for a light cable.

Usually when I can tell the difference, I can also measure it with a multimeter, so while materials matter it is still about their impact on the electrical signal. When it comes down to best value cable for the performance, I still think the Tripowin Zonie is the best deal at $20 for a 16 core silver plated that is very flexible.

Other people have other opinions, which is cool

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So would it be safe to assume that any change in sound would come from different resistance somehow subtly shifting the FR?

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Thank you for the input. I have bought a Tripowin C8, cable which I am yet to try out. I am looking at buying a custom Xinhs cable for my Harmonicdyne Zeus with interchangeable connectors, so I am now considering adding a MMCX lead.

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Some people claim that silver cables make the sound brighter than copper. If that was actually the case, someone would have a chart with evidence of some frequency shift or tilt. I have never once seen any support for this, only descriptions of sound after changing cable changes.

This is the community where people taped over different holes on the Timeless and posted charts of the results, so this is not asking for new behavior, just more of the same.

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My suspicion is that the new cable is at a different resistance, and if that changed it isnā€™t at the same volume either. At some point this goes back to perception versus measured data. This is why most people say that you need to measure the dB levels for consistency, both on charting and listening tests. HBB even puts a disclaimer about listening at 77dB measured ā€¦

If I listen at slightly louder volume the attack times and decay rates can change just a little, and it could impact how people are hearing their music. Maybe they arenā€™t normalizing their listening levels, with a lower resistance cable, the volume is greater, the decay is longer, and higher tones carry longer making it seem brighter.

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I see. Makes sense

ā€œThis is the community where people taped over different holes on the Timeless and posted charts of the resultsā€

Were there actual reliable differences?

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Yes, typically covering vent holes adds to the bass, but the key is the location.
Covering the 3 holes is like adding 2.5dB in the sub-bass.

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as long as the cable isnā€™t garbage tier the cable shouldnā€™t make a difference, I havenā€™t noticed any differences between well made $15ish cables and $100ish cables
currently the most expensive cables Iā€™ve got ($50ish) because of the swappable connectors which is pretty convenient :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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anybody got channel imbalance ? Vocal got blurred and shifted to the left.

You got that the other way around. Covering the 3 larger vent holes reduces the bass.
If you want Bass increased you need to cover the small nozzle vent. Best is micropore tape for this one, or there will be too much air pressure, it can feel uncomfortable with micropore too though depending on ones sensitivity to such things.

Dont subscribe to metals having specific properties that they bring to each set, but there is a difference with cables in general.
I could distinctly hear a difference between FiiO LS-2.5AS short cable, and Tri Grace 2 core one on i3 Pro IEM. Both are copper but the Fiio being brighter sounding. This was pretty apparent on the i3 Pro, and not to that extent but also noticeable on the Timeless(stock cable vs other Fiio cable - FiiO LC-2.5BS, also a short one)

In the examples above all cables have similar resistance, but the capacitance on the Tri Grace and Timeless stock cable is muuuch higher and very close to each other. Capacitance meaning that the insulator acts as a capacitor. Going from what i know of how capacitors work(in simple terms they charge and smooth out current), higher capacitance will take longer to charge and maybe affect the output impulse somehow without affecting FR. Maybe there is someone who could make more sense of this and have a more detailed explanation, i know that someone is not me :slight_smile: .
Timeless stock cable has the capacitance at around 500pF, 5-6 times higher than other cables i have. So for now with my limited sample size im inclined to think that thatā€™s the parameter that affects the sound, at least with these 2 examples.

Edit:
Btw , the track that i noticed the difference and it jumped in my face on the i3 Pro was Stranglers - Golden Brown.

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Just for fun: recorded both Etymotic ER2SE and Timeless with a Sony MDR-EX15AP inline mic.

No EQ applied in either case. Also note that even if I EQ the ER2SE to harman which boosts the treble by 5dB it still isnā€™t sibilant in any way.
Timeless: 189.8 KB file on MEGA
ER2SE: 189.8 KB file on MEGA

The only issue is, if I listen to this on ER2SE (which Iā€™m doing as Iā€™m writing this) neither recording is sibilant but if I use Timeless, Timeless is but er2se isnā€™t.

Funny thing though. Neither is sharp when listening to the recordings on ER2SE (with or without EQ that boosts 3-10khz) but only Timeless is when using using Timeless.

In order of most to least sibilant (havenā€™t tested FH3): EX15, Timeless, Starfield, ER2SE/HD560S (neither is sibilant).

And when I say ā€œsibilantā€ itā€™s practically a whistle lol. I also tried pink noise and itā€™s also noticable there, especially with Harman target EQ and ofc -7dB Q7 (or -6 Q3) at 7k fixes it.

Btw, itā€™s noticable everywhere but itā€™s not as pronounced as in this song.

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