🔶 7HZ Timeless Planar

[D1visor]

So what you’re saying is I can just flip this around, plug it into an EQ and I have my ZS10 signature back

No, this is an EQ that corrects Timeless to Harman Target but you can easily make one that corrects it to ZS10 Pro. Note that idk how much difference there is between ZS10 and Pro as Crinacle doesn’t seem to have the non-pro in his graph database.

And Timeless shouldn’t be hurting your ears but it will sound uneven.

Here’s ZS10 + Pro + Timeless. Have you tried EQ-ing ZS10?

Here, you flip this upside down and you reduce what is below and boost what is above and you make Timeless (at least tonality wise) like ZS10).

[IsThisMeta]

Have you tried EQ-ing ZS10?

Ah I was just saying ZS10 as shorthand, I have only had the Pro version of them. From what I remember, they are about as similar as any two random KZs, much darker. At any rate, I’ve found that I prefer to let headphones have their quirks and qualities rather than EQ them out. And just have variety of buds for whatever sound I’m in the mood for. I’ve tried taming the wildness out of the DT 990s and the ZS10 Pros and it just kills them. I’ll probably leave the timeless alone as well, whatever unevenness they have won’t be in the same realm as those two banshees

Here, you flip this upside down and you reduce what is below and boost what is above and you make Timeless (at least tonality wise) like ZS10).

That was just a bad attempt at a joke But I would like to see what that graph looks like between the ZS10 Pro and the timeless

[D1visor]

Raw

Harman Compensated

Timeless compensated for ZS10

ZS10 compensated for Timeless

And hey, whatever works for you

[John_W_Clark]

@IsThisMeta

Timeless be a good choice for someone who loved the ZS10 Pro

I view myself as a “really like the ZS10 Pro, not loved”. It got a touch sibilant for classic rock and prog rock, but I still use it for metal ( Iron Maiden sounds great on it ), and it is my go to IEM for Movies or TV with the Roku remote. That was my first IEM, so I have a soft spot for it, and it still holds up well.

The Timeless does everything I mentioned above well, it has some treble energy but isn’t harsh, and I tend to be sensitive to sibilance, and will wear an IEM all day. The Timeless doesn’t have that weird frequency spike, or you just don’t experience it the same.

There is a fast and smooth thing with planar headphones that is hard to explain, but they are different, and most people have a clear love or hate thing with it. I really like it, but I would also keep a DD around for when you want that sound. I have been doing Timeless and Mele on my desk, and they are a nice pairing.

[Pocok]

What is hps ?

[Rikudou_Goku]

headphones.

[comfylife]

Does anyone know where to purchase, or if it’s possible to purchase the largest of the provided white (or black from what I’ve seen) cylindrical silicone tips? My freakish ear canals seem to be most compatible with these tips, and they work like a dream on my LZ A7 and XENNS UP sound-wise. (Oddly enough, not that great for the Timeless itself )

[Ohmboy]

@comfylife If you’re in the UK? I’m happy to send you FOC my Timeless tips all totally unused and still in their plastic bags

[Plex_Flex]

Put some Symbio W tips on your Timeless if you can get them. The treble gets much less sharper. My Timeless now sound like studio monitors. If you’re interested in super flat sound, try it.

[rattlingblanketwoman]

Quite a bass killer in my experience, which some may be looking for.

[comfylife]

Thank you for the offer, but I’m in the US, unfortunately .

[blorg]

Like John says the Timeless has plenty of energy in the treble (perceptually) without being harsh. The KZ ZS10 Pro is much harsher in the treble, IMO, and other KZs are even harsher still. Timeless comes across as quite bright but really not at all harsh. Similar to my experience with Hifiman (Ananda, Edition XS) which are also bright without being harsh. I think you’d like it.

[D1visor]

So after jumping from EQ’d Starfield to EQ’d Timeless (it’s evident without EQ as well) Timeless is indeed quite a step up in terms of detail retrieval and separation.

Starfield even with EQ still sounds congested (it’s not bad btw but Timeless is so easy to listen to regardless what I throw at it). Not to see how it fares against EQ’d ER2SE.

So against ER2SE I’d say it’s very close detail retrieval wise but it just sounds so much cleaner.

That’s the issue both Starfield and ER2SE have but latter less so, that is if a song is very busy like this one (drums, guitars, false chord screaming vocals, synths in the background), it’s like if you have ripples of water crashing into each other creating distortion and Timeless does some black magic shit where ripples exist in cohesion without interrupting each other :).

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Interesting.

[fabiokelm]

Holy Shit, WTF is this set!?!? Forget burn-in or whatever, first 4 or 5 songs in and I highly doubt this set is going away anytime soon. If this is what planar bass is like, I may have a harder time resisting audio buys next year.

[Pocok]

True story

[nymz]

I’d say for you to forget about the bass button and get something else. You can always PEQ

[Pocok]

I think the Timeless needs a bassy warm source. Can you recommend some portable ones ?

[nymz]

My favourite is XD-05 bal. It’s still clean but not as neutral as topping, for example.

[blorg]

Qudelix 5K can be as bassy and warm as you want it to be. Or not, if that’s your preference.

[Pocok]

I don’t use bt but thanks. I ordered this for the 7hz Hopeless , maybe the 4Vrms helps

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