yeah if this SC petition changes results the sport will lose a lot of credibility.
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Yes, I agree.
If the stewards change their mind, the sport is dead for the next few years.
Thanks to Mercedes because they show themselves to be very bad losers.
Itâs not enough for them because they have claimed everything for themselves since 2014 with this generation of engines, but now they have to give up the crown for the one time when no Mercedes driver made it.
As it is, itâs actually fair.
Mercedes has lain 8 years, a whole generation engine-technically dominated and 7 times the drivers who were used.
And once they didnât, that shows what greed can sometimes do to someone.
They both deserved it, but Max was just better with the team today.
While Mercedes acted whiny and hesitant.
Thatâs actually the reason why they lost the driversâ title today.
Itâs okay to protest about banalities.
But as I said, the FIA must do more to ensure that the teams have less influence and that the drivers are treated more fairly.
Then there is no need for such things.
The FIA certainly has a share in the fact that it has come to this.
Max remains world champion 
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Unless the sports court decides otherwise in the winter time loool.
After such a dominant engine era, Mercedes is bidding a very disastrous farewell.
And unfortunately they donât act according to the sporting code, which is a real pity.
I fully disagree with this but thatâs fine - we donât have agree. What Iâm pissed about is the ridiculous inconsistencies in how/when/what rules are applied. There has to be one set of rules that applies to everyone, all the time, everywhere. Otherwise, who wins or loses is completely contrived. No matter who you root for, if they didnât win in the end, you are justified in pointing to shit rulings during the season that disadvantaged âyourâ athlete. The questionable rulings also diminish the achievements of the winner.
And Red Bull would have been different? Horner is the whiniest person in all of F1 and Marko is simply senile.
Toto is no angel either. This idea that one side is âbetterâ than the other in terms of emotional control and/or actions is just silly. All these people are under billions of dollars worth of pressure to succeed. I donât care who you put in there, as long theyâre human, theyâll do illogical, emotional shit.
To me the racing Gods did intervene. If the 6 car doesnât crash, Lewis wins. As it was fair that they got one good lap of racing - and Mercedes left Lewis out there with old tires. Toto is raging all right - At himself.
Iâm glad Max won it - end of story. To me all the other stuff will be sorted over the Winter. Race direction should look at itself as well.
Regarding the teamsâ conversations with race control, itâs always been that way. This is simply the first time we get to hear any of it. It really makes everyone look like amateurs. But, they like us are just humans. When we realize that these people arenât somehow superior to everyone else (sure they can be better engineers, drivers, etc.), it will be way less dramatic/shocking/whatever.
But I guess most people tune in for the drama. Just another soap opera set against the background of sport 
Anyway, itâs been a fun season not knowing who will end up on top. Hopefully the changes for next year will result in even better competition with more than 2 drivers fighting it out.
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@A_Jedi
I agree with you about the rules.
But the teams have been saying that themselves since the beginning of the year.
Thatâs no secret, the drivers are also in favour of it and everyone would benefit from it.
You saw it at the start after Max tried to overtake Hamilton.
If it had been Max, there would have been trouble.
Thatâs just the way it is.
That is not allowed.
In the end itâs also the case that Mercedes just didnât react after Latifiâs crash and Redbull changed the tyres.
I see that as Max wanted to overtake Hamilton in lap 1 and it was legitimate and Hamilton insisted on keeping Pos1, that was the sweet revenge at the end.
If Mercedes had also changed and Hamilton had dropped back to Pos2, he would have picked Max up just like Perez.
I think Mercedes had too much respect and fear of Maxâs manoeuvres today.
They didnât take any risks today, they didnât try anything and they played for keeps, while Redbull played for keeps.
That Mercedes now reacts like this after so many years of dominance, winning a lot, having drivers who are black and white, who have made themselves strong for black live matters and racism, unfortunately they have lost a lot of credibility today, in front of the sport, in front of the fan
I feel that Max did a better job overall this year, although todays victory was mostly due to luck with the saftycar/vsc situations. Max has lead the most laps through out the year, and had the one more victory going into this race, so in that respect the WDC is well deservedâŚ
I feel Lewis and Mercedes has been a bit frazzled by Red Bull this year, especially the first half of the season, and perhaps it has shown a little that they are not used to really fight an even match as they usually have had the fastest car through out the season. This year i think the cars have been quite evenly matched, with some tracks favouring the Red Bull, and som the Merc.
While i really enjoy the team-to-Masi communications, i do also think they put the FIA in a bad light in some cases. Like in the last race where they seemed to bargain about the positions at the re-start of the race. Still, it ads to the âdramaâ of it all, and at least in some cases they have provided useful information.
Good to see Kimi being voted driver of the race, and sad to see him leave the sport. I was hoping to see him racing one more year, as i would have loved to see him driving the new regulation cars. He certainly would have had the experience to help Alfa develop it, but i guess so will Bottas who replaces him. Iâve been a bit of a Kimi âfanboyâ since his debut at Sauber, and especially those early years in the oh so unreliable McLaren he was sooo fastâŚ
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As far as that is concerned, the teams have to follow what the race control says and not the other way round.
Later, we can talk about whether it was OK or not and make improvements.
So this crying like five-year-old boys pulling their motherâs skirt is not acceptable.
That is unprofessional.
Something absolutely has to be done to make the teams behave calmly in the future.
Itâs obvious to the race director that he has his hands full in such moments and then team leaders come, but mum said I could go and play outside.
The gentlemen really have to think about what they want to change over the winter.
Edit:See here 
About âloss of credibilityâ, are you new to F1? Iâm asking not to show some sort of authority over you, but rather to understand where youâre coming from. Two of the greatest drivers (Senna and Schumacher) were also two of the dirtiest. And (as expected) their teams always supported them 100%. None of those entities ever lost âcredibilityâ.
Also, tying social stands for equality to a sporting competition (decided by a referee (the stewards) is simply wrong. I hope youâre a white male - the world has a lot of advantages to offer you.
No, I am not new.
Iâve been watching F1 since 2000 and Iâve seen a lot.
What I meant by equality and credibility is this.
You can achieve so much through sport, especially when it comes to racism.
Especially in Formula 1, there has already been a lot of it, or there has been all of it, just through the drivers.
A lot of money is spent on campaigns to educate people about it and so on.
Mercedes in particular has done so much through Lewis, more than the other teams.
And today they just kicked it to the curb and didnât behave as they should have and did so publicly.
I think thatâs a shame, especially since millions of people and children saw it, and you canât show that kind of behaviour.
In the end, thatâs exactly what ignites the fuse.
Or the fuse is lit there and then continues to burn somewhere else until it comes to a bang.
As I said at the beginning, no more deals should be made like in Saudi Arabia to avoid punishment.
That is also the reason why this escalated so much today.
As a race director, you simply have to be more consistent and say here, according to the rules, so and so, full stop.
Red Bull is not always okay either, but they know when to stop.
They didnât like Maxâs action last week with the braketest either, and they said so.
You could see the language in their faces, so you didnât have to say anything else.
Senna and Schumija were not always fair either.
But Prost is still an arrogant jerk like he was back then.
And Schumi canât say anything anymore.
But he has made amends in many ways.
Except for the thing with Barichello and Massa.
I think itâs important, especially in sport, that you stick to the rules that are given and donât break them.
As is so often the case, in the end itâs all about the money that flows into the fathersâ businesses in order to get even more.
If itâs about drama, then watch a drama film.
And let sport be sport.
Mercedes couldnât react as they would given the place to Max. They were right to try and keep track position, it just went against them with the restart and Red Bull had nothing to lose and everything to gain with the possibility of a restart to change the tires.
Red Bull have been very good with instant decisions like that through the season with Mercedes lagging behind and costing them points as a result.
Just so thereâs no confusion - Iâm not a Mercedes fanboi. I couldnât stand it that they have dominated the sport and made it somewhat boring. But the sport is like that. Before them it was Ferrari, before that McLarenâŚWilliams, etc.
Also, Iâve seen driving from Lewis that I considered dirty and in general was never a big fan of his until recently and thatâs only because of his social work.
Long story short, Iâm not a Lewis/Mercedes fan or a Max/Redbull hater.
If it were up to me, Alonso would be winning in whatever car heâs in.
The point Iâm making is that Iâm impartial in this championship. What bugs me is that fans (from what Iâve seen, mostly the Max RB crowd) are all up in arms about the âotherâ team being dirty or whiny or unprofessional or whatever.
Sorry to bust anyoneâs bubble but these people are all ultra competitive and will do anything to win as long as they can get away with it. Itâs always been this way and always will be.
They have to be or they wonât be successful in that environment.
So this idea that one team/driver is somehow honest and holy and plays by all the rules while the other is some sort of unholy cheating bastard is complete rubbish.
Theyâre all bastards. The ones that arenât, didnât reach this level of competition.
Itâs the same at the top of everything. Corporations, politics, etc.
I just want consistent rules. I donât care if theyâre âfairâ or not - just consistent.
Iâm no real fan of F1 anymore, really. The machines have always been the appealing part for me and they have been taking that away incrementally over the years. All one has to do is remember what happened when they let Alonso take out one of the âoldâ machines and simply stopped the proceedings. Also there used to be a lot more pageantry and panache to the race weekend. All that is basically gone.
I dunno, todayâs F1 is what it is. The fact that we even had a title fight was refreshing to me. And it ended as it should - 1 lap, the 2 best cars with the 2 best drivers - and Max won it. This time, someone other than frickin Mercedes won it. Thank goodness.
Ultimately despite what anyone thinks, the FIA, race control and, the stewards arenât letting anyone get away with anything or favoring anyone. Theyâre doing what they think makes sense to make an exciting championship and get people talking about F1. And theyâve obviously been successful. But itâs complete contrived bullshit. You canât have a competition based on merit if nobody knows what the rules are. Well, you can, but thatâs a different thing called a demolition derby.
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That has been tried. Does âHave at it, boysâ ring a bell? LOL! It basically made NASCAR a complete joke. Nobody wants to see that happen in F1. Race control needs to clean itself up. Doesnât matter the series, race car drivers will do what they think they can get away with.
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