I just love it when people get on here and coddle vicious criminals. Makes me sick to my stomach. Yeah, lets allow animals who have committed grotesque crimes against innocent people and society at large to actually help shape society? NO. JUST NO.
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Got a chuckle out of me, but the ai things will never get the respect from me like proper edited mashup videoās do.
This also serves as a small nugget of proof on the power of music and rythm imho.
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This is fake, thereās no Greggs in the picture.
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the worst ever 
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Believing that people should get their voting rights restored after serving their time doesnāt equate to coddling vicious criminals.
Also, lots of people who are convicted felons didnāt commit āvicious crimesā. Including the current President. I believe itās correct that heās allowed to vote even though heās a convicted felon, because he isnāt in jail. And heās lucky that he gets to benefit from New Yorkās re-enfranchising rules instead of Floridaās.
I think itās certainly a worthy discussion about what felonies should result in not getting your voting rights restored, but I donāt think it should be a blank disenfranchisement for all crimes. Like, someone who is a convicted felon for some minor drug possession and serves whatever their sentence is? I absolutely think they should
Generally, if the crime you committed is vicious enough to be in jail, Iām fine with not being able to vote. But if youāve served your time, and the system has decided youāre able to live in society, I think voting is a right you should get back.
All I did was share the info on how the US disenfranchises people, depending on the state.
And I pointed out that pretty much every other country allows most convicted felons to vote. And some even allow prisoners to vote.
Like, if Iām ācoddlingā criminals with the belief that they should get their voting rights restored, then so is pretty much the entire rest of the world too.
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Turkish has to be doner shop not only barber shop ā¦. 
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And I am tired of the old chestnut of disenfranchising people. That is bullshit. If you want to vote, do the fucking work and prove citizenship so that you can do so. I had to. Itās not that hard. that is not disenfranchising. That is your civic duty. GTFO with that shit.
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Nor sure what that has to do with what Iām talking about? Iām talking about disenfranchisement for citizens convicted of felonies, not the issue of proving citizenship to be able to vote. Thatās a totally separate issue.
In the US we disenfranchise millions of citizens who have been convicted of felonies, even those who have served their time (or never had to serve time but were still convicted).
Iām simply saying I disagree with that, and wish that we were like most other countries that restore voting rights.
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Committing crimes against humanity has consequences. These people knew that before they committed the crime, they did it anyway, and now they have to pay the price. PERIOD. Itās called accountability. So NO. JUST NO. You want to participate in society? Donāt be a shitbag. You want to vote? DO THE WORK. These are not hard concepts to follow.
And with that, Iām done. There is nothing more to say on this topic.
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iām in between,
small crimes (petty theft or something similar ig), voting can be restored potentially?
kill, rape, etc other big crimes can forget that right, heck returning to society should be a question rather
unless said killing was self defense or truly unintentional (iām talking about return to society not voting here)
lot of grey area.
Totally fine thatās your perspective. Generally I feel like serving time in prison and trying to be rehabilitated is doing the work, especially if you stay out of prison once you get out. Or in the case of the President, if a judge grants you an unconditional discharge and thus didnāt need to serve any jail time.
Iām going to follow your advice and just say letās agree to disagree on this topic. Probably not worth going back and forth forever.
Have a good day!
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besides you are stuck with two party options in US, not much of a choice anyways.
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Yeah - to be clear, the US doesnāt make a distinction about what you were convicted of. If youāre a felon, and youāre in a state that doesnāt restore voting rights to felons, thatās it.
Like, if you lived in Florida, and you were convicted of concealing hush money payments, that would be it, no more voting for the rest of your life. Although if perhaps you were convicted of those crimes in a state like New York, you get to vote because New York restored voting rights to people who arenāt in prison. And youād be lucky that Florida follows the rules of wherever it were convicted.
Certainly a good debate topic though about what crimes should essentially be life sentences and if and when people can return to outside society though.
The large majority of crime though is property, not violent:
But almost uniquely an American thing in general - this kind of blanket disenfranchisement isnāt a thing in most other countries, even for violent crimes. Iād definitely be open to any evidence that other countries are somehow suffering by not disenfranchising felons.
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I def think you have some very valid points. I like how you keep your emotions in check when having a conversation regarding certain topics that can be controversial. I donāt follow politics, but it feels like a double standard if you can be a convicted felon and still be president while at the same time some people canāt vote.
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Are you trump in disguise?, whatās with the capitalisation?.
If youāve done the time and are back in society, paying taxes or not is irrelevant as your right to vote should be sacrosanct
Not really a double standard - the Constitution is the ultimate rule here and it was clear that even a convicted felon could be President, since the Constitution only lays out three conditions for eligibility:
Can former President Trump be a candidate for President as a convicted felon?
Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution sets forth three qualifications for serving as President, which are the individual must be a natural born citizen, at least 35 years old, and a U.S. resident for at least 14 years. The constitutional qualifications for the presidency do not address felony conviction status.
There was an interesting debate about what would happen if he was actually incarcerated on Inauguration Day but the general consensus was that if that happened, the Department of Justice would seek his release.
Voting rights are more complicated because each state in the US sets their own rules (I.e. Florida, where Trump lives, would have disenfranchised him. But he was convicted in New York, which restores voting rights if you arenāt in jail. And Floridaās rules say they follow the rules of the state where the conviction happened).
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Really? That is what you are reduced to? LOL. Typical. Read my comments. That is all.
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Your boomer brain is melting live in public man 
HAHAHAHA! Was that supposed to hurt my feelings? Hate to disappoint. I guess this is what happens when you donāt have anything intelligent to say. You have a nice day now.
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