Bad Guy Good Audio Rankings and stuff (under construction) (Part 1)

Aaaah :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:
I had to buy from local seller.
Cuz fuk the buyer. Keep good relations with the seller.
It’s like they never saw the internet coming. :man_facepalming:

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This track is pretty damn top tier. I counter with this

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New Sony WM1Z??

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Ha ha. No counter necessary. I’m a fan.

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Wha wha what??? I’ve been thinking on getting the WM1A and now there’s a potential new Sony DAP announcement? :scream:

If is a MKII of the WM1Z, it’s gonna be $4k+ I presume.

I have the WM1A (bought brand new just three months ago). If you only use IEMs, it is great, but underpowered, IMO, for many/most fullsize cans. JMO. The custom firmware for the WM1A/Z is terrific, plus ability to change regions…lots of ways to impact sonics if you so desire. I might be a Sony fanboy, hahahaha

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Still happily using my A55! Been using MrWalkman’s firmware mod.

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Hey guys, i wanted your opinion on something.

There are some people on head-fi saying that a Schiit Magni Heresy is not sufficient to power a Focal Clear or an Audeze LCD-X, and that is why i feel like i need more bass in those.

I say that is 100% BS, 2.4w @ 32ohms is plenty but to those guys specs mean sh** and if the amp does not cost at least $500 then you cannot use it with high end headphones.

I expect higher end amps may give better clarity, maybe better soundstage or better noise floor, but more bass??? What do you think about this?

Lack of power for me can make bass sound looser and slower. But no impact on the quantity itself.

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That’s plenty for FOCAL Clear.

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That makes perfect sense, but 2.4w RMS @32ohms would never be considered lack of power, right?

yeah, 2.4W is definitely not “lack of power” lol.

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It should be plenty for really anything other than a few summit fi exceptions such as the Susvara too, no?

I highly doubt i need a more powerful amp for an Audeze to produce proper bass…


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For a Focal Clear, it’s definitely powerful enough - one shouldn’t be looking for bass on Focal Clear anyway - they will just distort (driver will bottom out).
Audeze headphones DEFINITELY benefit from good clean power and high voltage - something I used to not really believe.
However, it depends on what bass you’re talking about.
If you’re talking about sub bass, then yes, a better amp (better components for current delivery) could benefit you, if you’re talking about 80hz and above, you’ll be fine.
Do note as well that
A. Specs don’t reveal everything, you can’t just say “X amount of watts and X ohms” and expect it to tell the whole story.
B. Some amps are coloured more than others. For example, something like the THX 789 which has silly power, is rather linear and the bass rolls off - whereas something like the iFi has no such sound characteristic. Conversely, EQ exists, and if you’re not a purist, you can make wonderful things happen.

Tbh, that’s what everyone on that forum should’ve started with “Have you tried EQ”. Did anyone even ask you what songs you were listening to or what type of bass notes you were having issues with? Did anyone even ask for your reference (what you expect the bass response to be generally) or what you’re comparing to?

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The Focal Clear and LCD-X both don’t actually need a lot of power. Not to say that they won’t sound different/better on a higher-end amp, but yeah, you’re not lacking in power and a more powerful amp isn’t really going to give you some kind of bass boost effect.

EDIT: I’ve heard that running these kind of low-impedance headphones off of a higher impedance source like a Bottlehead Crack actually /can/ raise the bass quantity in some cases, but I only own low output impedance amps, so I haven’t tried it myself. It might be something to look into though!

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I am not a purist, at all, i EQ all my headphones and IEMs, no exceptions.

I was not even complaining about lack of bass in Audezes, i was just asking if the LCD-X would have better slam than the LCD2-C and people started saying stuff like “if you think any Audeze lacks bass or slam you need a better amp”.

Fu** that, i apply a low shelf filter to boost bass on Fostex X00 headphones, i like my bass and i am not ashamed of that.

I know with 100% certainty that i could buy a $25k amplifier (if that even exists) and i would still need some EQ settings to get the bass to where i like it, i am just really trying to make sense of what these people are talking about, like, WTH a 2.4w rms @ 32ohms amp does not have enough power to make an Audeze produce 100% of the bass it can produce?

This sounds like crazy talk to me…

Again not talking about quality, i believe a higher end amp can deliver more quality overall, but not more bass quantity.

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It is crazy talk. You should ignore people who spout B.S.

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I think these people are just trying to justify to themselves that the $2000 dac/amp stack they invested in is making a night/day difference in their overall sound, completely ignoring the law of diminishing returns.

I mean, i am sure those stacks are awesome in many ways and i would love to have a setup like that some day, but to say that they have more bass quantity than i have with my setup is nonsense…

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I’ll be honest. I’ve had as much joy with IEM’s out of my $9 dongle on my phone as much as my nearly $1000 Bifrost 2 and THX 789 combo desktop rig, along with the cable interconnects needed.

You can all take away my audio credibility card, I never needed it anyway :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Headphones that are hard to power are another thing altogether. Power is required. No way around that. But how different the sound actually is between amps due solely to the excessive headroom being present in one over another’s just adequate supply? I’m not sure about all that first hand.

I know a bunch of HE6SE people say a home theater receiver is needed to power them properly, but I’m doubtful when I already love how they sound off a simple THX 789, or my TA-30 tube amp.

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