Bad Guy Good Audio Rankings and stuff (under construction) (Part 2)

I see you got inspired by my usage of that meme in your thread - monkey see, monkey do :joy:

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Hi! For you
Mega5-EST 5, Hype 4 or Doscinco?

Looks more like another SA6U. Would be interesting to hear since this has a DD pulling bass duties. I really liked the SA6U during my time with it.

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The Arete claims “Concentrated Bass Impact: With a 9dB shelf at 300Hz, Arete delivers subwoofer-like bass impact without muddiness. Deep, powerful, and clean bass enhances enjoyment while maintaining a natural tone.”, but has about 3db less than Doscinco.

I am betting it sounds good, just not a tuning I care about.

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Here’s the thing: Graphs can tell you whatever you want them to tell you. Measure it from 1000Hz and they look bass light. Measure from 300Hz where they say the shelf is concentrated at, you get a different story:

This interpretation would say the bass is all there but you’re going to hear very forward mids, with a lot more energy in the deep treble.

I get the feeling the listening experience mirrors the 300Hz interpretation more than the 1000Hz

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100% agree

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Mega 5EST :100: :pinched_fingers:

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Ooooo I like the treble and pinna gain tuning but not so much the bass tuning. I’d definitely like a little more sub bass with that nice air region… but I’m sure it sounds pretty decent. Ziigaat rarely, if at all, misses.

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I’ve yet to buy one of the Ziigaat twins and now they’re triplets lol

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That would make more sense for his stated purpose. For gaming the details and imaging would be the priority.


These beasts finally came in the mail. Excited to give them a listen! (W1 tip for scale).

Thanks HBB!

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there should be standard reference point across the industry…
I’ve seen…we all have seen r/p’s from 300hz to as high as 3khz

all statistical data is therefore contentious…

with many reviewers approaching it in a perfunctory style because no standard does exist

maybe 5252 rpm on the dyno sheet…you know… for all you beer swillin gearheads out there

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I don’t disagree with you, but if a company says their bass shelf starts at 300Hz, and you want to check the bass shelf you shouldn’t normalize to 1000Hz.

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There is - it’s 500hz as according to the IEC60318-4 calibration standard.

Unfortunately there was some reviewer guidance on measurements that spoke of normalizing at 1khz (presumably as it better represents human hearing) but this fails to account for coupler limitations and a whole host of practical considerations around why 500hz is the given standard. Then with the advent of squigs, people were openly using the normalisation function to compare IEMs at frequencies they believe they enjoy most instead of aligning to driver crossover points, specific manufacturing issues to check or static error curve plateaus/ trending lines which may give better immediate FR visual guidance. Aligning just to a frequency because you like say male vocals isn’t really how normalisation works as it’s skews the graph as a whole but you know… “allow people to cook” and all that as there really was little guidance available.

Reality is for manufacturing standards 500hz is required as a static point reference but for user accuracy probably someplace close to 500hz is good but it shouldn’t be strictly defined as there are many outliers why a 500hz normalisation may not be useful - ie an IEM with a high Q factor in the 500hz region. This is where compensation over a range of FR sub 1khz and dependant specifically on the two or more IEM FRs in comparison, would be more useful - I believe Sean Olive has flirted with this concept recently. We target normalise the normalisation :man_shrugging:

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What are these? :o

You know brother…I realized there has to be and looked it up after making the post…

there is afterall a standard for everything…even the length of s second…

9,192,631,770 cycles of the radiation produced by the transition between two levels of the cesium-133 atom :nerd_face:

NIST is the statistical Parthenon

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An IEM that is particularly exciting for me is the upcoming ISN H60.

I loved the H50, even more than Xenns UP.

The H50 had this creamy, weighty sound with dimensional mids and an excellent wrap-around-head staging. Incredibly musical.
It is an IEM I think back to as my favorite hybrid ever.

Here is the graph for ISN H60

x2 “isobaric” 8mm liquid silicone gel DDs
x2 Sonion Mids
x2 Knowles Treble

One of the most beautiful elegant sets I’ve seen.

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this is a proto for a dead project called the Rudhra Brahmastra - a bass-head IEM

https://x.com/BASS0range/status/1713216331443736616

After first listen it sounds pretty wild, a bass cannon for sure. Can’t say it sounds like anything else I’ve heard before lol.

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Thank you @Timmy-Gizaudio
Timmy donated a Divinci and $150 and I paid $350 for the earphones and all $500 went to a NPO that rescues animals.
Win, win,win

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im not crying youre crying GIF

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