I mean, I own almost every single beyer in the lineup and those that I don’t own I have auditioned and got rid of. Bright headphones are kind of my thing. I would like to think I know quite a bit on them despite being new to the audiophile world.
That’s because the bass on the mmx300 is not complete overkill in gaming and they tuned it so it would still be okay. Argons are another story as the low end is a bit of a different story and is pushed forward a bit more in the mix despite that fantastic for casual gaming you can also push the argons a lot more than the mmx300 and they can be balanced making them more versatile just without a microphone. Generally for competitive though it boils down to really just how serious are you in the competitive scene lol. Personally, I play a lot of competitives but I don’t care as long as everything sounds good and theres quite a bit of bass to my game so things sound livelier. I don’t play to be a professional, not anymore at least. Hopefully that guide I posted with those other headphones was of some use at least but I would still say just go grab a Fostex or E-mu Teak. Considering what your wanting I think these you’d fall in love with.
With some songs, yes they are good. But with some songs with too much sub-bass it causes the drivers to distort and rattle at loud volume. They have good impact, but it makes me want to push the volume more and that’s when they sound like a mess. Some of it is probably because the music I listen to is from YouTube and may also not be recorded very well.
The bass notes on this song sounds great though at loud volume on the DT 177X Go, the bass impacts and reverbs nicely and feels strong. Steve Void - Can’t Feel My Face
So I guess I’m trying to say they are like 3.8/5.0 for bass. They are really sensitive to bass EQ’ing (even pushing 1dB can make them distort). Which is better than a lot of headphones which are anemic with sub-bass. But still not what I’m looking for (authoritative sub-bass at loud volume).
I’ll be able to test the Meze 99 Classics tomorrow. But I think I might have to keep my sights on Fostex TH909 or maybe the TH900, as they’re the only ones that have the sound signature I like and can get really loud without distorting.
Fostex TH900 MKII, you mean? Yeah I saw the delivery date was about a month from now. $1260.
I read Zeos’s review where he was gushing over them, he was hitting all my checkmarks for what I want in a headphone. Then I watched his sound demo, the 3rd track… piercing, reverberating upper midrange. At the end of the demo he said that song sounded different in the recording than it does when he listens to the headphones…
After watching 4 other reviews, including Joshua Valour’s review titled “The Punishers” they all agree that they have painful levels of upper midrange (and recessed lower midrange).
I think the 909s share this sound signature because I heard Audio46’s review state “female vocals sound great on these” which is what you get from exaggerated upper midrange. But without lower midrange you get a “thinner” female vocal sound.
The 909s also have problems with a lot of amps since they’re 25 ohm, but the 900s are 25 ohm and don’t suffer the same issues for some reason. So I guess I’m leaning more towards the 900s right now. And I can hopefully just fix the midrange performance with EQ adjustments.
Hmmm. I am very skeptical we had the same headphone. Very V shaped (almost too much for a studio monitor). Did you ever amp them? If what I’m hearing is no bass or flat you’re gonna have a hard time finding something to satisfy you imo. Especially if you don’t want to shell out more than your budget.
I’ve used MDR 7506s off and on for ~20 years, and they still get head time with the ridiculous cans I have (Eikons, Clears, Hexv2, Elegias, PM-50s). There’s good reason for that. Don’t get me wrong, they have their problems, but I would never describe these as flat or lifeless. Slightly hollow mids sure, but that’s what you trade for the extension, detail, and dynamics for the price.
I don’t EQ things. If they don’t sound good out of the box, the manufacturer fucked up and you shouldn’t buy them
But yea, tldr, if you don’t think these are bassy enough when amped then I’m not sure what to recommend that isn’t overly expensive.
I initiated the return process of both my MMX300 and my Mayflower AMP this morning.
I’m not a professional gamer…at ALL. That being said, even if I get to much bass in-game…if at least I can get clearer than my Beats pro or Man’o’war ( which is probably the case) i’ll be happy with that.
I’ll look in them. For sure. And then get back to you.
We’re on the same track on that. They sound good ! Nice bass, very nice mids and highs…and when you want to have some fun with them …Boom it crackle/scratch. I do hear the unpleasant sound only when a kick come.
I just plugged them into my Schiit Magni 3. Sony MDR7506, correct?? They are very flat, almost no bass impact. I EQ’d the bass up 6 dB, 7, 10… 12 dB. Nothing. 75 Hz and below gets really muddy at 12 dB but it’s still hardly there. And no midbass impact. They have no low end extension. 1.0/5.0 for bass.
The problem is the drivers hardly move so there’s no bass or impact felt. It’s not an issue of powering them either, since my DT 1990 Pro has a lot more bass compared to these and is 4 times more impedance.
I wouldn’t recommend the 99s… too bloomy in the bass (unless you do the cotton mod) the pads (the good ones) are too small, like they were made for toddler ears and the clamp makes me want to tear my ears off! I do like the mids on them but I’d rather shell out for a pair of 6XXs if I’m going for only mids…
Sad to hear that you got rid of your MMX300s, rest in peace, but I’ll continue to do some pad swapping until I can get them to rattle on my ears sans EQ.
Mmm. Maybe a defective unit? I’m getting more sub rumble and mid bass impact out of the 7506s than anything I own except the hexv2s (and maybe the clears). Yea the bass gets muddy down low, that I can agree with.
Going on 20 years with various pairs of 7506s and never had the problems you’re describing.
The 1990 pro is still pretty light on the bass scale iirc. Impact yes, but not a lot of bass.
I guess I do. I also got a defective SMSL SP200 amp lol.
I just watched Zeos’s review of the MDR7506, he said they had the best low end (This was in 2014). Mine definitely have zero low end so must be defective. He also said the midrange is missing, which I also agree with. So I guess with pads they sound a lot better, but I’m really doubtful they come close to the sound my DT 1990 Pro has with Dekoni Elite pads.
Surprisingly, if I want A LOT of bass I grab the Monoprice Retro’s w/ XL Hybrid pads. These cans deliver in bass for me compared to what I have so far. Mids and highs aren’t too bad either (I use EQ).
I know you already said you’re only listening to high volumes for short periods of time, but might I recommend that you attempt to take it down a notch overall? I understand the allure of high volume, but when someones says they’re making beyers distort, you have to raise an eyebrow
It might be worth trying to take your volume levels down a bit as a whole. Ears, and brains, are very weird things, and if your overall volume level goes down over time, you might get used to that and eventually find it equally satisfying. Then you’ll be able to enjoy the new lower “high” levels, without shelling out too much $$ for crazy setups, or putting as much of a dent to your long term hearing.
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It might be worth trying to take your volume levels down a bit as a whole. Ears, and brains, are very weird things, and if your overall volume level goes down over time, you might get used to that and eventually find it equally satisfying. Then you’ll be able to enjoy the new lower “high”
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You’re right about that. Listening music too very high volume is damaging the hearing. The only daily source ( depend of if I’m more in a podcast mood) of high volume I generally get is my 2x 12" subs + stocks speakers in my car on the way to work.
My friend, my colleague and my dad tried my Beyerd setup and saw me trying it and crank up the volume and all of them were suprise that I was able to listen to that level.
On these 3 persons. I know at least 2 of them love listening the music in my car at the same volume as I do… And uts loud enough for me. When I ask them if they love it very loud in my car they say yes and then I ask them whats the difference between loud in headphones and loud in the car … They don’t really have an answer. My guess is that headphones doesn’t have much space to stage the sound so it make look it more aggressive, but overall, I think when I crank the volume to the max (for me) and the setup is able to handle it, I would just say I have the equivalent of being in my car, or at a club.
For the suggestion of stepping down a notch… During the first Coronavirus wave I was working at home 100% of the time, so no sub. And the setup I had was my Razer Man’o’war (without amp) so not to high volume on my motherboard even at max. I would occasionally go jogging with my beats on my Phone, almost always at max if I remember correctly, buts not nearly as loud as when I plug them into the mayflower amp. Do you thing that my jogging would destroy all the “step down a notch” thing ?
@Orion_Xavier You might want to read that as we kinda like the same things.
So from here and there guys I had a lot of suggestions and I thank you all for that.
After a while, I understood that with headphones/headset you can’t get everything at 100%.
You’ll either compromise on on part of the frequency spectrum.
My Beats Pro and my Man’o’War are Bass and volume monsters and they Fu***** suck at everything else in term of audio.
My Beyerdynamic MMX300 sounds good: They have enough bass, Mids and highs are AMAZING. They made me take a new look at the music… Litteraly. Music that I could’nt even listen before because it was too boring. BUT, they’re hard to drive and even properly amped, they doesn’t get loud enough for me until they distord/clip.
And from what I’ve learned from @Falenkor, these are one of the few exceptions of the Beyerds that give that much bass.
So from a lot of people I heard that getting what I want :
is not really possible because there’s too many things that my Headphones driver needs to do.
So with that in mind (this morning) I decided to go on 3 pairs of Headphones:
One for the gaming,
One for the Music
Beats pro for the freaking punchy bass I need my Bass ordonnance
Since I already take the refund of my Beyerds, I would need an Headset/Headphone for gaming.
I’ve returned to my one of my first choices which was Corsair Virtuoso.
After all… Zeos recently reviewed 3 pairs of wireless gaming headset… Gaming companies might have changed their mind on the shitty sound signature. And for my girlfriend Birthday I brought her the Hyper X Cloud Flight (one that Zeos reviewed not too long ago) and they were fine. They did’nt sound very loud, but they we’re very nice on the basses, mids and highs. They were just fine for my girlfriend needs.
So I went to Best Buy today and I brought a pair of Corsair Virtuoso…
They’re shit… Litteraly… HOW THE F**** can companies sell these in 2020 as an HIGH END GAMING HEADSET… WHat the hell… They sound EVEN WORSE than my Man’o’war !!
I gave them a try and I’ve plugged them into my Mayflower AMP… they do actually sound better but they still SUCK… and being plugged into an amp via 3.5 jack mean that I lose every functionalities like microphone mute button volume knob…etc
Thanks god I’ll be able to get a full refund at Best Buy, because my Wireless dongle was actually bent out of the box. What a luck…
Then I had this crazy idea to plug my girlfriend’s HyperX Cloud Flight in my amp. Since my only problem with these were the volume on wireless dongle and when I first brought it to her I didn’t had the Amp yet.
Guys, I think I found what I needed… Plugged into my amp, EVEN with the DSP option ON , these HyperX will get very loud and won’t clip or distord ! Ok… Getting these amped is like getting 90% of the basses I get from my Beats Pro, and getting 90% of the mids and Highs from the Beyerds !!
I think… I found the 10% perfect compromise for all my needs at the 1/2 price of my Beyerds.
They’re light, the confort is good (not called cloud for nothing), but I might get pads that Zeos suggested when they’ll come available for shipping here in Canada :
One other thing I actually like is that the Mic is detachable, soo I’ll be able to remove it and use a third party mic for gaming, because the AUX jack that is on the headset is not for mic, so the headset entry on my amp is not working for them.
With the removable mic I can also actually wear them in public (they’re not to big and weird).
So for the “- One for the Music” thing might come later if needed… and I already have an amp for that but for now guys… I think these will fit all my needs ! I never thought at the beginning of this thread that my solution was actually at 6-7 feet from me…
I mean, you could’ve asked us on that one? Lmfao not going to lie I got a good laugh out of this comment.
Those clouds are based off an actual headphone the takstars iirc to be exact and just sound great with a good bass to them despite being a gaming headphone. Alpha and Flight are really damn good in the gamer headset market and some of the best of the genre for that price range so this doesn’t surprise me at all that you enjoy them. The other special exceptions to these would be like the mh751 from coolermaster and the end game gaming headsets the Audeze mobius or the orbit which is the wired counterpart and of course steel series arctis pro + gamedac or steel series arctis wireless(of which gamedac can gain so much bass it vibrates the entire damn headphone without bleeding through the mic cause it has a built in manual equalizer on its dac)
hmm, interesting thought honestly. Those are the cooling gels too which can solve one of the issues of closed backs. I think it’s worth a try. Audeze mobius has it’s own variation that also works on orbit called the Cryo Pad which are absolutely incredible too.
I believe thats a 3.5mm jack right? Pick up the V-moda Boom pro its probably your best bet. Absolutely incredible mic.
Hmm, Just do keep in mind that wireless does sacrifice an awful lot of quality in the sound. You may like the wired variations even more. Strange that you decided to go with a gamers headset they definitely aren’t very audiophile headphones. Nonetheless glad to hear you found what you are looking for
I had to make quick move They were in stock at the nearest Bestbuy and it was 15:30 and they close at 17:00.
Hmmm interesting. The HyperX cloud flight doesn’t actually come with an 3.5 audio cable, soo I need to get one anyway… I was thinking to get like a thing with an arm and a anti-pop filter and all that, but now that you said that I’ve already cheked this one and its seems to have good reviews. That would save me a lot of time checking every mics review and actually have the small thing doing a great job instead of having a big setup. The headphones actually have 2X 3.5 jack: one for the detachable mic and the other one to use the headset wired. Do you thin this will actually work on my Mayflower Headset amp ?
I don’t think I will use them wireless, because the lack of volume, but its an option if I need it someday. Do you think I should get the wired version even if I will use the the cloud flight wired ? Do you think there’s any sound quality improvement from that ?
What is the exact equivalent of the HyperX Cloud Flight in wired verion and can I detach the AUX cable for the V-Moda mic ?
This method is the streamer method or studio method howver you wanna call it. There is no gaming headset mic that can compete in clean sound when it comes to this setup. If you have the budget I would suggest going with it. Otherwise you will be fine with a v-moda.
I own the alphas and original clouds and they work on my amp. Just be sure to dial the nob back big time. Hyperx headsets don’t need much driving power at all put it low gain if you have a switch for it and ease it forward otherwise you will run the risk of blowing the headphone. It should work just fine though I don’t see much of a reason for you to go down that route with a wireless headset, you may find the wired variations of their lineup better in this case. It’s extremely low ohm so it can run no issues on all applications.
Most definitely I think theres room for improvement. However, like any headphone the flights have a particular signature. I would invest some time into researching their other headphones find one thats similar yet wired or more to your preference and go with that. Flights are nice but if you don’t plan to go with their intended use wihich is wireless you stand to gain more from a wired setup. However, I don’t know the flights completely and they may make up for that loss in quality by connecting them through a wired however I have my doubts on that one.
Hmm, let me think… It definitely wouldn’t be the revolvers as they are a special headset in the lineup all on their own. Mix is a hybrid wired and wireless at the same time and to my opinion is just kind of bad. It would have to be Cloud 2, Alpha(S variation adds a 7.1 surround sound dongle and if I recall it has bass sliders on the headphone which open up the sound more and of course adds bass), or Stinger(has a brand new version called core). They all should have detachable mics. Revolver though is pretty unique as it has a pretty damn large soundstage I just hate the mic and the headband sucks big time. Hard to say if any are the exact equivelant. I would say look up the frequency responses as I don’t own the flight myself. As for the mic, certain plugs from hyperx cannot make use of this microphone as it has a weird pop filter design to it.
Edit: so I just pulled out my old alphas and tried my v-moda. Works fine.
Meh. I’m not a streamer at all and for now that will do.
I was actually talking about using V-Moda Mic on my Headset entry on my amp. I was asking that because the stock mic won’t work because it has its own jack on the Headset. But I think adding the v-moda on the same jack will do.
BTW I crank these at 3/4 - 5/8 High gain with DSP ON without hearing actual distortion and they actually hit my max volume tolerance… which you can now understand is pretty high
I actually found the answer for that : Cloud Original
So the guy that said that also said that the clamping was better on the flight than the Original one, so only that makes me wanna stay in the safe zone of the Flight that I actually have on my head right now.
Great !!! I’ll get V-Moda then. In the future I might want to become the next PewDiePie but for now if it does the job that will be very fine for what I need.
