Hmmā¦ canāt find any LakePeople g103 reviews on youtube and I see very little discussion about it on google. I see that the g109 is more popular. Any crucial difference between the two? I donāt intend to buy the 109, but just saying.
I see it has very high power (the 103). How well would easy to drive headphones sound on this? Letās say some HyperX Cloud Alpha I have. Did you recommend it because itās powerful and would match well the 880s, or is it a very good amp overall, even for easier to drive headphones?
Honestly, I think Iāll buy 770s for now, then save for the 880s. Or should I get that Hifiman Sundaras deal I was talking about the last message I sent? And what amp should I buy now if I wonāt buy 880s in the future? Still the LakePeople, or is the Zen CAN ok in this case? If Iāll buy the Sundaras Iāll probably never buy 880s, so the Zen CAN included in this deal should be enough for anything Iāll ever buy. For the moment, Iādā say that I wouldnāt buy something more than 300ohm Sennheisers, or even if Iāll buy 880s in the future, Iād be somehow binded to choose the 250ohm version. I think your opinion would really help me. @WaveTheory Iād like to hear your opinion too.
Itās an older model, itās now been replaced by the g111
Yes, the 111 and 109 are more just fairly neutral slightly smooth, while the 103s has that bit of warmth and extra body added to it. The 109/111 are a step up overall when it comes to technicalities like better detail, improved spatial recreation, more impressive dynamics, etc. But all share a fairly similar house sound but with different levels of performance
Pretty dang well depending on the headphone, although I havenāt tried that exact pairup with the hyperx
A bit of both, it has pretty excellent synergy with the 880 for the money, but it also drives other headphones pretty well, just depends on what headphones are in question for how well they pair with it
I guess it depends on your priorities
The lake people would still be my preference but you wouldnāt have any issue with the zen can either as long as you balanced the sundara imo. It wouldnāt be as technically impressive as the g103, but it would have enough power on tap with a warmer richer more fun signature
Lake People doesnāt seem to send out review units. The only reviews you see are from people who own them and outside of this forum I think knowledge of their existence is somewhat low. Itās a shame really because their products are rock solid.
I think the G103s will give you more freedom in the future to explore headphones be they hi-Z, low-Z, or planar. The Zen CAN is fine for easier to drive planars and lo-Z dynamcis. I think youāll be overall impressed with the CAN + Sundara if you go that route.
I think itās probably reasonable for you to grab the Sundara and CAN combo right now given your situation. Listen to that for awhile. I could see a reaonable upgrade path for you to be starting there and then getting a Lake People G111 and/or Feliks Echo down the road. I caution against saying āIāll probably never buy ___ā This hobby has a way of making you eat those words, lol.
Haha I know how it goes āIāll probably never build a house that expensiveā -next day āI wonder how much would it cost if x and yā¦ OH SHIT ITāS 200000 dollarsā¦ well then, Iāll probably never buy an expensive carā -next day āBut that Aston Martin is sooo greatā¦ Iāll probably never invest in a home studio thenā -next day āomg I want this and this and this and this because they all sound SOO DIFFERENTā
Itās always like that, I know.
Iāll do some more research on the Sundaras this week, but most likely Iāll end up buying 770s and LakePeople
@M0N Oh Godā¦ 2 days ago it was written on Thomannās site that theyāll restock the LakePeople in 2-5 days, this means anytime monday-friday. I took a look at it now, and it says āAvailable in ~one weekā and I think this means theyāll restock next weekā¦
About the shipping. Iāve asked my guitar teacher how long his deliveries took, and he said mostly 1 week and a half, sometimes 2 weeks. 2 weeks shipping + 1 week restocking = 3 weeksā¦ aghh I canāt wait, Iām so hype right now that I think Iāll go to Germany myself XDDD just kidding
By the way. Question for all of you @lafonte@M0N@WaveTheory . Would I be ok using EQ to get the 880s bass-heavy or just bass-oriented? Or should I buy the 770s first?
@lafonte I wonāt take Sundaras. I just canāt love them, I canātā¦ DT series was instant love, but Sundaraā¦ I kind of hate them, I donāt like the headband, the earpads, the design and especially THE CABLE and I wonāt pay for another cableā¦
My DT880 responded really well to the bass boost on the zen dac routed through Asgard 3 or Liquid Platinum. Itās not a bass cannon, but did well, and I am a bit of a bass head too.
Iām not a fun of the eq with the headphones but the dt-880 gets less distorted in the bass compared to others open headphones when the bass is boosted but desnāt become a bass moster. The 770 if youāre looking for the sub is a better option but is not the best headphone out there, about the amp if you are really on a buget and especially if you donāt plan to get the 880 I personally will think twice before buy the lake people, in terms of quality/price is really far away to be a good deal.
Personally I think itās a pretty good value for what it has to offer, canāt say the same about some of the other options I have tried in the price bracket, although 270 euro is higher than I remember them going for in the past, but I have no idea how shipping and customs adds to things in the eu
I owned the 109 and if was a good quality price amp some years ago in the today market I will not define it has convenient. After I know something about the electronic and Iām willing to pay the premium cost for a premium products with that I mean a good electronic topology, a good design, features, sound, and I canāt see any of this quality here
An amp than in my opinion is a box without a gain switch in the cheapest version and with a switch inside the amp in the more expensive version with a topology designed for minimize any cost used in the cheapest stereo, radio and big bluetooth speakers. After if you think is sounds great is a perfect combo with the 880 is ok everyone have different tastes and preferences.
Well, what would be an example of something that you think showcases good design at the 300 ish price point? Getting something that uses higher quality components is pretty hard at this price point from what I have seen (unless you build something yourself perhaps), and honestly thereās nothing in the design of the lake people to me that screams poor design, but Iām not an amp designer so I probably wouldnāt catch that anyways. In the end for me at least, the sound is the final test and the determining factor, and if the components in the lake people are really all that bad theyāve done a nice job at making them sound good for the price point
I didnāt try any of the schiit or jds products because Iām in Europe but personally Iām a bit jealous. Because they managed to design nice products with in most of the cases good electronic topology and componets, a nice design, features, usa made and for a good price somethink that is missing in the european market (lake people, lehmann, graham, splā¦) that continues on the path of the really expensive high end but donāt offers good quality price products compared to what there is in the usa and in china. Here in europe especially on a budget since is pretty expensive and difficult import products from the us I will personally move on chi-fi, I personaly did it and Iām happy with my choice thatās why I suggest to others to try this products. Fox example the aune x7s (270 euro) for me is better then 109g (here in europe still possible find it new for 450 euro) with the headphones i have in my personal experience. Out there there are many amps for 300 euro and also dac/amp in the same price range for very different tastes (SMSL SP200 XDUOO TA-10 SMSL SH-9 aune x1s)
You did not give any reason as to why one of them is better than the other thoughā¦?
Most people starting in the HiFi world, especially headphones will just parrot the ābig numbers goodā-thing from ASR and then buy some cheapo chinesium thing.
So why compete there in the first place?
I canāt find an european manufacture that produces a class A/B biased in class A amp like the asgard with that power a nice looking design, external gain switch for 200 dollars that are about 170 euro, If you find it let me know because I will buy it.
Iām not one that follows the numbers and not new in the hifi and music gear i owned and still own europeans headphones amps as well.
I was refering to design in terms of aesthetic look, what look good has different interpretations one of them since youāre from germany for example is the gestalt, but I donāt think we are here to talk about art and concept of beauty.
sometimes you get more for the price sometimes less thatās the reality of all the products not only in the hifi, and all depends by what has value for you, maybe I give value to different thinks.
Is not the rule that in china all the products use cheap componets auctually is getting always harder find chinese products realized with cheap components.
Hello guys
This my first post and Iām sorry if this has been asked before , the thread is amazingly long , I have catch some nice information here, I can see that the asgard 3 and topping e30 are recommended to drive dt 880 600 ohm within that budget, my budget is tight and I can not afford the high end amp/dac or emotiva now, my question is if I paired dt 800 600ohm with Asgard 3 and either mangi or topping E30 dac how far will I be from the full capabilities of this headphone ? I mean the level of magic / G.O.D as described by that famous youtuber, it will be a pity to spend around 500 $ and still missing something , I like to have this headphone from what I have read about it , Iām not audiophile by any means but I like to have high quality sound and better game experience . I own only hyperx cloud alpha and this will be my first highly regarded headphone, I will be using it for gaming (competitive and non-competitive ) and music.
Best regard
Iāll respond to your questions by first assuming youāre aware the DT880 has a neutral-bright signature and that is the sound youāre looking for. If itās not the sound you want, it wonāt matter what amp you use, you wonāt be satisfied.
The answers to your questions are both yes and no. Iāll try to unpack that some. IMO, for the DT880-600 the Asgard 3 > Emotiva BassX A-100. The Asgard is going to have a cleaner, more refined sound, and it still has plenty of power. Iāve used the Asgard 3 to drive my DT880-600 with the iFi Zen Dacās bass boost and the amount of power was never once an issue.
Technically ānoā but thatās because Iām being a stickler on the āfull capabilitiesā bit. The Asgard 3 with either of those DACs (or Zen Dac I mentioned above) is high-quality enough that youāll be able to get what makes the DT880 a special can in its price range. Youāll probably be quite amazed given what you say youāre coming from. Amazed to the point where itās probably a gateway drug into bigger and better stuff - youāve been warned! lol. I say ānoā because the DT880 is one of the rare pieces of audio gear that can truly punch above its weight in performance and scale up really well. Itās resolving enough that it will sound better and better with higher quality amps and DACs. That is not me saying that it will sound as good as $2000 headphones with $2000 amps, but it will sound much better than youāll expect it to on that $2000 amp. The point is, the DT880 has the dual ability to wow you right now with an Asgard 3 and Modi 3+/E30/Zen DAC and wow you all over again when you beef up your signal chain.
Figure I will chime in a bit as wellā¦ I agree with wave here but I want to put in somethingsā¦
The āFullā capabilities of this headphone can be achieved with something more simple such as liquid spark stack or Magni and Modi from schiit. The headphone scales and synergizes growing with your setup which can lead to some surprising results. You however, do not need to go to a very expensive setup for this headphone.
Take what he says and others with a grain of salt. You absolutely do not need a modded emotiva to power this, not at all and I would absolutely argue the asgard 3 sounds a hell of a lot better than that Emotiva amp.
in this hobby, your technically always missing somethingā¦ but in this headphones caseā¦ nah, go for what you need and afford
This is a bit concerning to me, you mention you only have the gaming headsetsā¦ however, 880s and beyers in general are quite bright soundingā¦ if you are treble intolerant this can lead to some issues I would recommend testing this through speakers or stereo or some other form of audio by turning the treble up high and giving it a listen to see if things are more uncomfortableā¦ while the 880 isnāt as bright as the other beyers itās still pretty up there.
āIāll probably never build a house that expensiveā -next day āI wonder how much would it cost if x and yā¦ OH SHIT ITāS 200000 dollarsā¦ well then, Iāll probably never buy an expensive carā -next day āBut that Aston Martin is sooo greatā¦ Iāll probably never invest in a home studio thenā -next day āomg I want this and this and this and this because they all sound SOO DIFFERENTā