I would bet someone is going to come along and 3D print the adaptor. Then I would think we could maybe try the Dekoni pads. (Or Dekoni maybe does this first?)
That would be weird… a neutral beyer with pad swap and ampless? Talk about a unique approach.
I will say they respond very well to EQ… just by playing with the Loki it does well
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I think DMS and Zeos should sit with the 900 pro X hell even joshua could appreciate it since hes intolerant to high amounts of treble… this may be right up his alley
just now noticed beyer has started selling the foam insert of the 3rd gen T1 in spare parts on their site which works on 2nd gen… I would love to have these pads with that foam insert that’d be killer. Come to think of it… I should probably remove the foam piece on this if I can see what happens
I sent some inquiry out to beyer on the expected life span and if theres plans to sell these soon in spare parts, also on if they plan to release a variant to them for the other beyers. Probably will get nowhere with them as of late their customer service has been total ass but we will see.
How does the 900 pro x compare with the 880 600ohm?
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I removed the padding from the DT 900 Pro X and added the Dekoni head padding. @Falenkor this helps remove the hot spot on top of the head.
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880 vs 900 pro x? I should be able to answer that for you
Lets see
Soundstage: 900 wins this here… not by much but its noticeably larger and has a more 3d imaging space to it
Imaging: 900 wins here… places stuff further. more accurate… better air quality too
Separation of instruments: 900 wins here but they are close to even
Timbre: 880 feels a bit less natural due to the over emphasized treble in comparison but both are still quite natural and very nice… they aren’t total timbre monsters though
Detail retrieval: 880 only if its properly driven… basic amp/dacs wont cut it. 900 has plenty of detail and resolves very well however 880 is an absolute detail monster
amp dependancy: 880 requires a good setup 900 does not and can be driven off some phones and motherboards. However, due to the nature of low ohms 900 not only doesn’t have like any scaling at all but also isnt the best for tube amps
signature differences: 900 is very neutral 880 is a neutral bright… while 900 does have brighter treble its not as bright or sharp
lows: 880 is more impactful and sounds more raised than the 900 here but both are close to neutral… 900 has a more rounded relaxed bass tone comparable to the T1
Mids: 880 is definitely more in your face mid centric and aggressive here. 900 does have very good mids but they are very neutral. Both have good transparent mids and plenty of detail so this is a flip of a coin
highs: if were comparing these two… the 900 sounds like it has a small scoop somewhere while it does have a bright peak its extremely refined and smoothed out. 880 can appear sharp and a bit clinical/analytical
Cables: detachable mini 3 pin vs attached cable on the 880
Build: 880 hands-down feels sturdier… this feels a touch lighter but theres a hotspot on the head that does not seem to go away on the 900 at the same time the clamp is pretty damn bad and needs stretched out… 880 is wearable out of the box and comfortably stretches out within like a day.
Sound versatility: 900 has practically none of this whatsoever… no pad swaps, no tubes or tube rolling, no scaling with higher grade equipment. 880 has a fully flexible sound signature, many varieties of pads, can be on tubes, and scales like crazy
Price point: DT 880 can be found mint at $100 meanwhile this new is a little over $300
Overall, the DT 880 in a nutshell(provided you have the equipment) in my opinion is just a better headphone for the money. You just -get- more out of the DT 880 in comparison. However, the sound signature and way they represent music are different… so this is up to what the person is looking for. This headphone seems to cater towards those who really appreciate a very balanced sound and maybe wanted more balanced out of the DT 880 with a larger stage however, you lose quite a bit in terms of overall clarity and detail from a fully driven 880
This headphone caters towards someone who:
Wants a Beyerdynamic instead of Sennheiser usually due to performance reasonings such as soundstage, imaging, and comfort. Since the 900 can definitely compete with those in the 600 series
May play games, wants a balanced approach, and a strong presence in fps gaming
Got the 880 however, found it was too bright for them and the pads weren’t the best…
Heavily prefers a neutral sound signature to be a more jack of all trades approach
Prefers to be ampless whether it be for desk space or other reasons such as just saving money
Prefers the buy it and not look any further approach while getting as much sound quality and detail as possible within this price bracket
However, for those of us who actually have the money and the setup? The DT 880 is better suited as its essentially what can be seen as a side grade… with DT 1990 and T1 above them being seen as still a solid upgrade in overall performance. If one still wanted the more neutral or mid centric route above the dt 880, 900, and sennheisers… one should look towards Focal
Overall I found the 900 to be quite damn impressive despite ampless… its level of detail, ability to resolve, transparency, Transient, and speed are quite something… and its typically something I only found with the proper setup… its a budget option that gets you most of the way there without needing to spend over $400
gonna try that in just a minute… that just -looks- comfortable as hell
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Currently gaming with the 700 pro X tonight. I gotta say, these actually kick some ass. I might actually keep these for my well rounded closed back. I have been needing a good pair like this for some time. I do agree as well to the previous isolation comments… they isolate surprisingly well for a velour padded headphone yet the space and stage still remains pretty big just like the DT 770 can perform. I wasn’t the biggest fan of 770 due to just too much bass and not enough mids
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Do you think the DT700X is a lot better for gaming than the DT770? Does it come close to the DT1990?
I personally dont really like the DT770 250 Ohm for Competitive Gaming. Don’t get me wrong, i think its a lot better than most closed gaming headsets out there, but i would never take it over my DT1990 or HD560s. Im also looking for a closed back option for Competitive Gaming, but i haven’t really found one that satisfies me.
So, I think its a more relaxed approach to sound and gaming personally… less bass, less treble, more in the mids, and more balanced overall. The pads are a nice touch as well and the headphone itself is quite comfortable once stretched out. I think it will come down to a matter a preference with that.
Your comparing a closed back to an open back as well as 2 different signatured headphones with that. Though in terms of overall performance… I can’t really say a yes or no in that particular case and depends on what your looking for out of the headphone in particular.
for competitive gaming? Oh good lord no, trying to compare this to the 1990 in that scenario just isn’t happening. 560s are awesome at smaller fps as well.
Depends on the signature that suits you personally… but if you want one for competitives… this would work actually since its a better balance in signature but also the 177x GO would definitely work and I prefer the 177x GO over the 770 by miles. That’s currently what I am trying to decide between with these two… I suppose you could also look into T5 over there… as its beyers signature flagship closed back portable but its essentially an extremely bright closed back T1 with brightness on levels with the 990. 2nd gen… not 3rd gen… the third gens are extremely warm
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@Falenkor Wow…speaking of detail… thank you for the 880/600 comparison to the
900x. Very helpful. I have the Sundara with an Asgard 3 and recently got the 880/600 as
a low cost dynamic complement and enjoy it…also hearing those limitations you mention.
Options from here as budget allows seem to be adding in a Loki to fill it out a bit…better amp, maybe to balanced with a mod…or looking toward a T1 gen 2 tho still 600 ohm or Elex. Seem like the right ideas to you?
anytime
So, the loki was one of my more favorite purchases later on mainly because I grew tired of always going back to work with PEACE APO in the background… it just makes things a bit easier if im already doing something and I find I want a fast slight adjustment without effort.
As for better amp? From the asgard? that will be quite expensive youd be looking at $400+ at that point but up to you. That would be -maybe- jot 2 from schiit, lake peoples higher models since they are similar to schiits products, and definitely Violectric if you really want a huge step up but they are very expensive.
It doesn’t hurt to balance the 880 but normally I would say as mentioned that you can flip to the T1 instead of modding the 880 itself. since the T1 is already set up to be able to be balanced you just need the cable for them. Elex is the same way for balance. Though you would need a good amp and dac balanced setup for all that. T1 is nice though and what I use on the regular. pretty much if you want to take the 880 a step further in everything the T1 is that step. As for elex, extremely dynamically impressive for sure… worth at least trying that headphone just be wary of the quality control on it
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@Falenkor Yes, I am wary of the Elex for QC issues they have had. Thank you so much for your follow up responses regarding possibilities for the future. I do currently have quite satisfying and varied times with my modest setup of e30>Asgard>Sundara or 880. The Loki seems like a logical, affordable addition for now. Again thanks both to you, @M0N and others on the forum who have provided me with guidance based on your more extensive gear experience.
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Man, I seem to be at a trident road to upgrade my Yamaha HPH-MT5s. My two choices used to be the Dekoni Blues & the EMU Teaks, but the DT700 Pro X got me interested too.
My curiosity is piqued, because all three seem to be warm(?) headphones, and all three don’t use a dynamic driver.
Edit: I realize calling the DT 700 Pro X “warm” might not be the most appropriate. However, I am sincerely interested in the headphones, because the treble was retuned, and I’m for headphones with tame treble. Hence, that is why I assume the DT 700 Pro X to be warm.
After having them in for more than a week, I can say that the DT 700 Pro X are keepers for me. Really good set of cans and I‘d go as far as call them a solid no-nonsense product, both for monitoring and music enjoyment. Swappable Earpads, Swappable Headbands, Swappable cable, good build quality and socketed, easily replaceable drivers, they are designed to last and be repairable.
I‘m honestly a bit proud of Beyer. Well done.
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I was looking to buy a dt1770 or dt177x. I had them before. They were good but I always ended up using open back. I want to try the dt700 now. You know for sound isolation, more subbass, not because I am doomed in this rabbit hole…
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Does anyone find the sound signature of the dt900 pro x closer to the dt1990?
It have been a long time since I had the dt1990. From memory the dt900 sounds close to the dt1990 with the B-pads. The dt900 sounds less v shape, and share the same studio forward detail.
Disclaimer, I have used the dt900 only with the bf2+RNHP. Which might be why it sound forward and tight. Also, when I had the dt1990 my setup was modius+ A3 and thx789
I think it sounds this way regardless of a given setup in general. Yea… it’s been a while since I had the DT 1990 as well. So I am not sure…
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It is very similar and has a similar level of quality of sound but 1990 has noticeably more stage, much more aggression, definitely brighter. If anything I’d say 900 is a dialed back 1990 which I personally love. Still not replacing my t1. That’s my first headphone love at this point lmao
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