I mean, it can definitely happen. Though beyer isnāt particularly known for bad quality control issues. They have some good customer support though so they should get you straightened out they are just short staffed.
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I mustāve gotten unlucky
Alright so, beyerdynamic got back to me about the pads on the T1 finally. According to beyerdynamic they are not the balanced pads on the DT 1990 thought they look a bit similar. heres the email portion.
Hey (redacted)!
The T1 2nd Gen have their own proprietary ear pads, part number 916080. They are velour ear pads designed specifically for the T1 2nd Gen. The T1ās do not come with additional pads, and other pads will negatively impact the original sound design of the headphones.
Best Regards,
Nicole Gregory
Technical Applications Specialist
I can confirm that after sitting down with the T1.2 and trying to place the analytical pads on the headphone it just didnāt sound right to me it practically butchered what makes the headphone so good and relaxing. The dekoni elite velour while settles the headphone down again. just practically butchered it. Your experience may vary here but it seems this headphone does definitely not respond well to pad swaps. Seems the best option here is to place it on an equalizer or switch it to amps that are good for dialing in the treble or bass whatever suits your preference. @JJPablo how odd cause those definitely look just like the balanced pads
Looked up that part number. Sure enough itās definitely a different pad. It appears that Gen 1 used a variation of the EDT 990 VB pads meanwhile the Gen 2 over there uses a variation of the 1990s balanced pad
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In regards to my distortion issue this is what Beyerdynamic said:
āIf this only occurs during heavy bass notes, then the drivers are distorting as they are not designed to replicate low frequencies at higher volumes, especially those that happen suddenly. They are not defective if there is no other distortion. What are you using with your T1 headphones?ā
Now Iāve been burning them in a bit and the distortion is becoming less of an issue but still there.
The tracks that I use that make my pair distort is Call Tickeron by Run the Jewels and Off Deez by J.I.D. Most of the metal music I listen to donāt have any issue.
I believe a flagship headphone especially from a established brand should have these issues. My SHP9500 can produce head shaking amounts of bass and still be clear in the rest of the frequency range. Itās not like I listen to my music extremely loud. I listen at a pretty moderate volume so the headphone shouldnāt have any distortion.
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Hello everyone and I apologize in advance if this has been covered already. So I just got a pair of the Bayer t1 ver 2 and have been using them with my surround sound system but I really want to get a dac and amp to really get the most out of them. I was thinking the rupert neve pre and the the rme adi 2. But Iām very new to this and was wondering if anyone can help. Thank you so much.
What do you like about the sound so far? Would you like more/less of anything?
I just want to recreate how the artist intended it to be heard. I dont honestly know if I want more or less of anything.
A heads up, there is no one combination of dac-amp-headphone/speaker thatās going to give you what the artist intended for the breadth of music you listen to. And even for those for whom you think your system is close to reproducing what they intended that artist would have to sit with you and say āyeah, thatās itā for you to ever really know. You have a more realistic shot at getting things to sound close to how they really sound - voices like voices, pianos like pianos, drums like drums, etc.
Since youāre new to headphones, I would suggest starting at the lower end of the price spectrum and work your way up. The Schiit Asgard 3 amp has plenty of power for the T1.2 and has a very realistic, natural sound, IMO. You can pair it with Schiitās own Modius DAC or something cheaper yet like a Topping E30. You of course can spend a lot more, but Iād start somewhere around there.
Hello everyone and I apologize in advance if this has been covered already. So I just got a pair of the Bayer t1 ver 2 and have been using them with my surround sound system but I really want to get a dac and amp to really get the most out of them. I was thinking the rupert neve pre and the the rme adi 2. But Iām very new to this and was wondering if anyone can help. Thank you so much.
Iām interested in hearing what you decide on. Iāve been considering getting the T1 for gaming. Iād probably pair them with the Drop THX 789 and a custom ābalancedā headphone cable to make use of the higher power of the 789ās balanced out. But, Iām not sure which DAC to get; I donāt think I need a balanced DAC.
Edit 2: What I said below is wrong about the ADI-2. It does not have a mic preamp, so Iād have to rethink getting it. If I go the Pro FS R, I could use it as a DAC and a balanced headphone output and as ADC for my mic, but Iād have to get a separate mic preamp or use my current audio interfaceās mic preamp and output a line level signal to the Pro FS R. So, itās not the total upgrade I thought itād be.
Edit: You seem to be looking at spending more than me. If I stick to a lower budget, the Schiit Modius looks appealing, but I have considered going with RME. I use a XLR microphone, so if Iām getting a DAC, maybe I should upgrade my ADC / mic-pre at the same time. So, Iāve considered the RME ADI-2 FS, RME ADI-2 Pro FS (supposedly same as non-pro, but with DSP and other features like balanced out with custom cable), or the RME ADI-2 Pro FS R (upgraded AD/DA from the Pro FS and it comes with a remote and maybe more features). You could probably just go with the RME ADI-2 DAC FS, which doesnāt have ADC or mic-preās. If I got the Pro FS R, I would try using it as my headphone amp for a while before deciding to get the THX 789 or not.
Yea I dont need mic inputs. I was looking at the 789 as well. I just dont know what would sound best.
Here is the T1.2nd official forum:
You could get more help there. I am running mine with the thx789 with the Modius Balanced. I like it so far. Before I had the Sdac-B.
Thanks for helping. Iāll ask there.
Welcome, @Blacklabel and @jbt!
In general, you probably wonāt see the THX stuff recommended all that often around here. The general consensus, with a few exceptions, is that the way the tech is commonly implemented doesnāt result in the best quality. For clinical/analytical sound, there are better options for the money.
That said, for the T1.2, in the ~<$500 range some of the better options are going to likely be things along the lines of the Monoprice Liquid Platinum (tube hybrid), Schiit Asgard 3 (class A/B), Darkvoice 336se (OTL tube), Bottlehead Crack (OTL tube), Lake People G111 (class A), Gilmore Lite MkII (class A)ā¦paired with something along the lines of a Topping E30, Schiit Modius, or SMSL Sanskrit 10th MkII, or jumping a tier, a Schiit Bifrost 2, Denefrips Ares II, or Soekris 1321/1421.
Being a 600 ohm headphone, it can be driven from an entry tier amp like a Liquid Spark or Magni 3+ (common Beyer pairing), but at the level of the T1.2, youāll generally start benefiting from stepping into the next level of source gear. The RME would be that, but is generally stronger on the DAC end of things, and wouldnāt necessarily outperform a combo from the above listed gear that would cost potentially less than the RME by itself.
Thank you for writing that out. Iāll look into those suggestions. Iām surprised you say the THX isnāt recommended that much, since Z likes it so much. (this is his forum, right?) Also, āThe RMEā you are referring to is probably the DAC FS; the Pro FS R provides a balanced headphone connection, so itās a bit better (more powerful). But, youāre probably right that itās more expensive than other options.
Ironicallyā¦Z isnāt active in the forum and many of the regulars donāt care for the standard fare of THX tech with some of the other options for the price.
Hey all, Iām going to attempt to merge this thread with the official T1 thread. You can pick up the convo there.
EDIT: It worked!
My Schiit Modius and Asgard3 stack arrive today!
Sdac-B > thx789 > Running balanced. Everything is tight. All frequency are more present and aggressive. Brightest match of the other 2.
Modius > thx789 > Running balanced. More sound stage !! Treble is a little bright. Bass seems recessed a little bit. Vocals are separated from the song in a good way. They are in front of you with more clarity. I think i like this match a little more. The treble is forward, add sparkle and splash to every drum hit. It sibilance, i still like it. Sounds analytical and less musical, but not as analytical as the sdac-B.
Modius > asgard 3 > SE. I tried for 1h, take it with a grain of salt. A little more relaxed. The treble is not as forward. Cymbals lose the sparkle and drums lose the splash, they sound muted ( good for T1.2nd treble peak), they lack the exciting and engaging factor the thx789. They sound more natural and musical, not as analytical as the thx789. Compared to the Sdac-B, the modius have much more detail,more air and more separation.
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Read my latest post. I hope it helps you!
Thanks for posting that. I will more heavily consider the Modius now. @Martin_Lesch said he found his THX AAA 789 to have ānot very greatā width and depth of the stage. Itās interesting that you thought the 789 had more soundstage with your new DAC. I wonder if his DAC made the 789 soundstage sound smaller or if he has another amp that makes the soundstage sound bigger than the 789 ever will.
Iām considering purchasing the T1ās for gaming, so I want to pair them with an amp that has a big, but precise soundstage and that sounds analytical / bright (detailed and high resolution treble). I donāt need musical. I have Martin Logan Motion 35XT speakers for when I want to listen to music and Iāll probably look for a tube amp and a pair of Audezeās for a more musical headphone experience later.
Iāll look into the options @FiCurious mentioned, but since you like the 789, Iāll disregard his suggestion to disregard the 789.
Have any of you tried the Emotiva BasX A-100 with these? Itād be great to power my speakers and headphones with the same device, but I havenāt read anything about how the T1 sounds on it.
Has anyone here used the DAC in the Emotiva BasX PT-100?
Edit: Some people really like Musical Fidelity for speakers. I havenāt heard or read anything about them for headphones. Has anyone heard of the MX-HPA? The 789 isnāt balanced from in to out, so Iād be curious if someone could share some insights on this headphone amp that supposedly is.