🔶 Beyerdynamic TYGR 300 R

[Garygarlucia_Luciani]

Yea, that’s what I find. The more time I give a new headphone the more it may grow on me.

As to the x2 , yea the bass is flabby, especially compared to the lcd2c, which has lean clean( (low distortion) tight bass.
But when my inner bass head rises up, I can adjust to the x2 sound, flabby bass and all, after about 15 minutes.

[NewbieOne]

@Falenkor

Curious… what did you drive them off of? Hard to believe a set of $30 cans best this even remotely considering the aspects this headphone provides especially in terms of imaging which isn’t found till much higher brackets(or other beyers respectively) however we do have our preferences.

Initially x-Fi Titanium (front) => Fiio K5 (non-pro) or Titanium, sometimes replacing or combining the K5 with my old JVC MX-J500 stereo, which I use as front speakers. Tried with CMSS-3D vs without, with bit-matched playback vs enhancements, etc. Later changed the card to Sound Blaster Z and tried SBX vs plain stereo. On the K5, I’ve used three different levels of gain, generally sticking with medium, sometimes upping it to high.

@Falenkor

well, if your comparing closed to open and are primarily identifying that the $30 pair just has better bass… then that should be obvious since closed naturally is bassier and just has better low ends usually… tygr is designed V shaped its not a bass lovers headphone though.

Indeed. Logically, it would seem I must be after bass, noise reduction, seal or whatever. At least to the extent there isn’t something the $30 unit can’t actually do not so much better as in a subjectively better-feeling way (to me and my two family members), and it does feel to me like there might be something. If I really had to force myself to try and be more specific, then a bit more speed perhaps, a bit more crystal-like feel, hard to say. Or perhaps I might be not a huge fan of the V signature but unable to identify that as a cause due to my lack of experience and general orientation with different signatures.

I also forgot to add the cheap unit is on-ear, as opposed to over-ear. (My usual preference, so much of it as I could be said to have, would be for over-ears.)

@Falenkor

depends on what your looking for in particular… mmx is a sharper V shape than the tygr just closed… 400se is a neutral brighter cheaper sundara approach… just with more low end

Whatever I could identify as the potential source of my impression seemed to point me towards trying the 400SEs or the Sundaras. Speed, punch, exciting timbre, etc. would be there.

@Falenkor

usually when I get a new headphone… I know better than to just sit with it for a day or two… you need to mentally adjust to the new set of cans in terms of its sound and comfort… a 5 minute test literally tells you… for the most part very little except if a headphone has some glaring portions of the signature such as very bright treble or heavily bassy.

Indeed. Or even a somewhat longer test in my case, due to my lack of experience with headphone and lack of training with music, audio, etc. (Although my raw hearing is supposed to be better by a notch or two than the average person’s, or at least it was when I was younger.)

Right now I’m playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance with the Tygrs, which I’ve been doing for an hour or two, sometimes a couple of hours almost every day lately, and I’ve grown to like the experience.

I seem to like the Tygrs better without SBX than with it, whereas with the closed cans it’s the other way round. It feels that the sound coming from the Tygrs has a nice spatiality to it, as in not walking in a bubble but not feeling like Henry’s bedroom at an inn is a football stadium or concern hall or an endless open field. Both the city and the forest feel just right (though the forest admittedly doesn’t feel as good as on 4.0 speakers), the horse’s tack when riding around properly jingles to my sides or from behind (in a nicer way perhaps than when saddle sounds or rear hooves and horseshoes made their sounds from rear speakers in 4.0 configs — looks like 7.1 with its separate front and side speakers has a good reason to exist), and when practicing archery in the castle moat, it does feel like being in a dry castle moat. The sounds of bows and archers pulling them strike me as especially natural, though swords and armours aren’t bad either.

Perhaps I’d expected to be wowed in some unrealistic way, while this is more something to be appreciated after a longer discovery and adjustment period and more subtle than immediately felt with a punch. And I wouldn’t describe the Tygrs as punchy, more like the opposite of it. They can be fast or hit hard, but it kinda feels like they’re holding their punches back slightly and toning down on the oomph (not necessarily bass). Maybe a relaxed, leisurely sort of tuning? This makes me think about grabbing a K702 for some comparisons, but more ideally I’d spend some weeks getting used to the Tygrs first.

As for the MMX, I just might just have to buy a pair of those anyway simply for those situations when I can’t leak sound (e.g. on the train) or actually want to shut out (e.g. neighbours), plus the rare situations when I need a mike and a laptop (video calls) or the phone (voice calls) would not cut it, the added advantage being that used MMX’s cost about one third of new ones. I could buy a used one and, if I liked it, order a 600 ohm version with my name signed on it from Beyer’s ‘Manufaktur’.

@Falenkor

even in tygrs case, I have ran into several motherboards and small power sources that just make the tygrs sound bad.

Well, the K5 is no goliath. I’ve tried plugging the Tygrs directly into the SBZ. It was just a short test, but I thought I enjoyed it more for music, as it felt a little more energetic, which was precisely what I wanted (but which also means I may have been projecting my wants on what I was hearing).

@Alfredo3001

This happen to me when I was getting into the hobby and I was trying my first open back. I was looking for bass and treble. Was disappointed at first glance. It took me 1 week of using exclusively the open back with a decent setup to realize the difference between a piece of equipment.

It feels less headphone-like and more speaker-like, like people say, though in a different way than I had imagined before actually hearing it. It’s kind of like having stereo speakers strapped somewhere close, without heavy 3D enhancements and without having the sound source clamped to your ear, though the driver does actually sit pretty close to it.

After some hours playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance, I gotta say this provides a surprisingly immersive experience and is also simply cool to use for extended sessions, though for shorter-term immersion I’d probably still prefer something with a very strong 3D illusion, more rumble, more speed, more punch and more crystal-like. Something which you can get from <$100 Razers and Corsairs but better on the technical front.

For the record, in the last weeks I’ve spotted a small outpouring of used real 7.1’s from Asus for <$200 and been tempted to try them if only just for education. They could make an interesting comparison with the Tygrs for being kind of like the very opposite idea.

@lrjshabaz

However, there’s always a reason that a “consumer taste” exists. I can pour plenty of people highly-rated and expensive wines that they will dislike — particularly if they’re price-blind. So it goes here, it’s startling to the folks on the “inside”, and nobody is right or wrong.

I’m not even sure I’m coming from a consumer standpoint (more fun, more oomph, uneducated taste, etc.) or an anti-consumer one (e.g. not a fan of the V, if that’s the case)… but I’d rather listen to the phones than think about this, I guess.

I suppose things are similar in a way with the Tygrs. They might have a consumer sort of tuning with the V and more bass and slightly more treble (though not as much as your usual Beyer) but at the same time far, far away from most people’s idea of gaming headphones, let alone mainstream gaming consumer headphones.

Right now, I’m just not sure if it’s the consumer or the non-consumer aspects of either the Tygrs or my taste that are at play in this situation.

And for the record, I do like the Tygrs. I just strangely find some aspects of the $30 closed headphones to be more to my liking.

[quote=“lrjshabaz, post:1046, topic:11765”]
Brain burn is also such a real thing. I still listen from time-to-time to one pair of headphones that sound 100% bizarrely wrong to me at first and after 20 minutes in a genre that suits them - I can’t put them away.[/quote]

Indeed. I’m giving them time right now.

The music tests (if you could even call them that) were on classical (3D Classics from Amazon Music and Vivaldi from Hallidon on Youtube) and ethnic tracks with Gaelic-style vocals (Loreena McKennitt, Enya) plus some Latino (Tropico 6 soundtracks) and some electronic/techno/whatever (as in, Frank Klepacki). For classics I preferred the close cans, for Latino I preferred the Tygrs. For Enya & Loreena the Tygrs were wonderful, but I think they didn’t really sound right in some very subtle way (as in with a very subtle, very barely noticeable genre-mismatched equalization) and I still preferred the closed cans. The experience with classics improved when using the classical equalization from my stereo (though in general I prefer not to go through the stereo).

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Oh, and for the record, I heard an interesting difference going through the soundcard’s dedicated headphone out + the K5 amp versus going through front speakers out => stereo set => stereo’s headphone out. The latter was noticeably more speaker-like. Wider, more spread apart, farther from your ears, without the typical intimacy of headphones. Since the Tygrs are supposed to be speaker-like and since my stereo is sufficient to drive them (although the volume level has to go very high up), I could experiment further with that.

So far the biggest 3D-illusion/out-of-your-head wow I’ve managed to get has been Bluedio Hurricane Turbine closed cans on the x-Fi with CMSS turned out and going through my stereo with either the classical or the hall or stadium equalizer profile. The experience of listening to Amazon’s 3D Classical collection was almost out of this world. It really felt like sitting in the middle of an orchestra with the musicians and their instruments actually performing in my room, the sounds apparently arriving from locations far away into the room (corners, walls, etc.) and not even the typical foot or yard away from your ear like some headphones can do. So far I’ve been unable to reproduce this effect with the Tygrs, though I sometimes, with some settings, get closer to it when simply putting my hands on the cans to ‘close’ them.

I’m as uneducated and unqualified to make this sort of statements as it gets, but it kinda feels like open cans have the stage and all that jazz, but at the same time they can’t give you the sort of 3D illusion closed cans can create. Maybe that’s not just bass but the sort of echo you get from having a solid wall on the other side of the driver for the sound to bounce off of.

Note: I still have to try Windows Sonic, Atmos, maybe the Beyer thingy with making pictures of your ears.

[Falenkor]

@NewbieOne

If I really had to force myself to try and be more specific, then a bit more speed perhaps, a bit more crystal-like feel, hard to say

could be some things such as clarity and the closed back feel that naturally just has a different presentation to it overall… the tygrs are rather heavily dampened… if you like mids and bass… its most likely not going to be a good fit due to not only it not being the heaviest of bass but the mids are recessive… a lot of people love mids too which can throw somebody off as it can give a bad impression. Same thing when people try dark headphones at first as they can also appear rather muffled actually, nighthawk carbon was one of those for me where it just sounded awful. Then again, it could be something like speed… though less your comparing this to a planar thats rather unlikely. It may not be a bad idea to try and pinpoint what it is you find wrong though, perhaps try a sennheiser and see if that helps as thats a much more neutral approach that is more mid centric… may help you pinpoint what it was that you found off with tygr.

@NewbieOne

I also forgot to add the cheap unit is on-ear, as opposed to over-ear. (My usual preference, so much of it as I could be said to have, would be for over-ears.)

long as that $30 isn’t Koss over there… because if your trying to compare to koss like ksc75 or kph30i thats a rough one… those things are something else for their value.

@NewbieOne

400SEs or the Sundaras. Speed, punch, exciting timbre, etc. would be there.

Would be the other recommendation yeah… 400SE would be better in terms of low end and is cheaper… id suggest going that route and seeing what you think with that.

@NewbieOne

I seem to like the Tygrs better without SBX than with it,

the tygrs naturally have a larger soundstage and tend to hate any form of adjustment EQ wise to my experience

@NewbieOne

Both the city and the forest feel just right (though the forest admittedly doesn’t feel as good as on 4.0 speakers

tygrs have that set of decent speakers presentation to them… hard to come by in low budgets. A good set of well placed speakers though will of course best your headphones in practically every way imo

@NewbieOne

Perhaps I’d expected to be wowed in some unrealistic way, while this is more something to be appreciated after a longer discovery and adjustment period and more subtle than immediately felt with a punch.

it could be, I have spoken with quite a few expecting some massive magical change and got their hopes way up there… they kinda set the bar way to high lol. Granted, tygr still kicks the hell out of any gaming headset thats for sure.

@NewbieOne

I wouldn’t describe the Tygrs as punchy, more like the opposite of it. They can be fast or hit hard, but it kinda feels like they’re holding their punches back slightly and toning down on the oomph (not necessarily bass).

they were designed like that… impactful but not heavy. DT 990(the headphone they come from) is the bassier one as well as brighter… tygr is much more dialed back in pretty much every sense to try to be less offensive

@NewbieOne

Maybe a relaxed, leisurely sort of tuning? This makes me think about grabbing a K702 for some comparisons, but more ideally I’d spend some weeks getting used to the Tygrs first.

K702 will be similar to the hifimans your wanting to try… that is recessive bass tones with mids and highs as the focus point… 702 is also analytical. Tygr is a bit more relaxed ill give it that… its not like DT 880 or like… 1990 where they can be rather aggressive

@NewbieOne

As for the MMX, I just might just have to buy a pair of those anyway simply for those situations when I can’t leak sound (e.g. on the train) or actually want to shut out (e.g. neighbours), plus the rare situations when I need a mike and a laptop (video calls) or the phone (voice calls) would not cut it, the added advantage being that used MMX’s cost about one third of new ones. I could buy a used one and, if I liked it, order a 600 ohm version with my name signed on it from Beyer’s ‘Manufaktur’.

never tried the 600 ohm version but heard some good things… the mmx300 are pretty nutty in their own way… can become total bass cannons through a pad swap that can rival even the argons to my ear. Of late, beyer has been making headphones that cater more to studio and mids though. mmx, 770, 990, tygr, B pads 1990 were all rather V shaped…

@NewbieOne

Something which you can get from <$100 Razers and Corsairs but better on the technical front.

I definitely wouldn’t define those as being “crystal-like” lol. Though rumble? yeah gaming headsets definitely can do that

@NewbieOne

I suppose things are similar in a way with the Tygrs. They might have a consumer sort of tuning with the V and more bass and slightly more treble (though not as much as your usual Beyer) but at the same time far, far away from most people’s idea of gaming headphones, let alone mainstream gaming consumer headphones.

they are essentially perfect for both casual and competitive… which is harder to do outside of complete neutrality for the most part. Since you can’t have too much bass in fps but you want bass in casual… at the same time you want treble for fps but it can be uncomfortable for casual gaming because of sibilant tones… that sort of thing, it just tends to make things a bit odd for some

@NewbieOne

I’m as uneducated and unqualified to make this sort of statements as it gets, but it kinda feels like open cans have the stage and all that jazz, but at the same time they can’t give you the sort of 3D illusion closed cans can create

depends on the cans, open cans naturally have a larger sense of space but not all of them. Beyers are very heavily dampened and that may be the issue here as it does sound that way… at the same time it does sound like you want bass… which is a weak spot in very many open backs where headphones like mentioned with the hifiman are more recessive on bass rather than pushed above neutral… You can get sennheisers but those are more neutral tonality headphones… focal and audeze are way up there in price but least they have bass… aeons are another but are also up there… the unfortunate thing is for the most resolving, bassy, crystal like, open presentation… it definitely comes with a cost usually above $450+ in terms of open backs with all the capabilities. I didn’t start hitting that till after $400 myself.

[Alfredo3001]

I remember my first audiophile experience when I had the dt990 pro with the micca g2. It was an awful experience. I even return the dt990. Two years later I’m running a 2000+ setup. Word of advice don’t fall into this hole…

[Falenkor]

@Alfredo3001

Word of advice don’t fall into this hole…

lol… $2000 setup… you weakling

nah, Honestly for a gamer? I think $400-$500 is like… the ultimate sweet spot Alfredo, least from my experience… you have a ton of headphones at your expense there… Focals Elex, Audezes best gaming headset for wireless the penrose and some cases of their others in used format, Aeons which are gorgeous for the harman curve, Hifimans better headphones like Sundara and the new XS apparently, Beyers flagships like DT 1990 and my own T1 2nd gen, Sennheisers 660S which is one of my favorites from them alongside the larger staged 560s, you finally get some bass lovers headphones in there with Fostex finally coming into play with Argon and others like Purple Heart, Nighthawk Carbon is also in there which is a gorgeous unique headphone… I mean so many to choose from all with their own special characteristics as long as you have an amp and dac to drive them. In my opinion… theres very very little reason to go beyond that price point for a gamer less you jump down the hole

this coming form the guy with a focal clear mg on his head connected to an extremely expensive Violectric Amp + Soekris lmfao

[Alfredo3001]

I mean it is not for only gaming . General use, music, tv, gaming.
Had the hd800s.

Currently: BF2>Soloist 3xp(supercharger)>t1.2nd

[Falenkor]

@Alfredo3001

I mean it is not for only gaming . General use, music, tv, gaming.

I ruin myself when I include music and overall use. Thats when the wallet gets torched

[NewbieOne]

@Falenkor

could be some things such as clarity and the closed back feel that naturally just has a different presentation to it overall… the tygrs are rather heavily dampened… if you like mids and bass… its most likely not going to be a good fit due to not only it not being the heaviest of bass but the mids are recessive… a lot of people love mids too which can throw somebody off as it can give a bad impression. Same thing when people try dark headphones at first as they can also appear rather muffled actually, nighthawk carbon was one of those for me where it just sounded awful. Then again, it could be something like speed… though less your comparing this to a planar thats rather unlikely. It may not be a bad idea to try and pinpoint what it is you find wrong though, perhaps try a sennheiser and see if that helps as thats a much more neutral approach that is more mid centric… may help you pinpoint what it was that you found off with tygr.

Indeed, besides the V or recessed mids it could be something like warm vs cold, dark vs bright, etc., which so far are things I can’t really wrap my imagination around. I’d need to hear examples first to have something to base my imagination on.

@Falenkor

Would be the other recommendation yeah… 400SE would be better in terms of low end and is cheaper… id suggest going that route and seeing what you think with that.

I hear the 400SEs also benefit from removing the grilles and doing some other stuff like that — something the Sundaras are perhaps a tad bit too expensive for.

@Falenkor

tygrs have that set of decent speakers presentation to them… hard to come by in low budgets. A good set of well placed speakers though will of course best your headphones in practically every way imo

Yeah, though even now I can tell the the Tygrs have that special about them so that I just grab them instead of turning the speaker setup on.

@Falenkor

it could be, I have spoken with quite a few expecting some massive magical change and got their hopes way up there… they kinda set the bar way to high lol. Granted, tygr still kicks the hell out of any gaming headset thats for sure.

Yeah. And as the time passes, they grow in on me and I’m beginning to appreciate them. As in I’ve always believed them to be very good just not my cup of tea. Right now things are moving in the direction of more appreciation and more warming up to them as in perhaps they might be cup of tea after all if I change my taste a bit, and tastes are supposed to change from time to time as you meet new things.

@Falenkor

they were designed like that… impactful but not heavy. DT 990(the headphone they come from) is the bassier one as well as brighter… tygr is much more dialed back in pretty much every sense to try to be less offensive

That could be it. They are extremely inoffensive. Maybe just a bit too inoffensive for me.

@Falenkor

never tried the 600 ohm version but heard some good things… the mmx300 are pretty nutty in their own way… can become total bass cannons through a pad swap that can rival even the argons to my ear. Of late, beyer has been making headphones that cater more to studio and mids though. mmx, 770, 990, tygr, B pads 1990 were all rather V shaped…

I’ve been looking for 600 ohm versions of 770 and been almost unable to find any. However, the ‘Manufaktur’ offers MMX (but not 770) with the 600 ohm option. So that’s the only way really to get a 600 ohm 770 — if you’re prepared to pay three times the cost of a used MMX. So perhaps I’d try a 250 ohm 770 with no mike first.

@Falenkor

definitely wouldn’t define those as being “crystal-like” lol. Though rumble? yeah gaming headsets definitely can do that

True, not in that price-range. Though the clarity doesn’t necessarily suck.

@Falenkor

they are essentially perfect for both casual and competitive… which is harder to do outside of complete neutrality for the most part. Since you can’t have too much bass in fps but you want bass in casual… at the same time you want treble for fps but it can be uncomfortable for casual gaming because of sibilant tones… that sort of thing, it just tends to make things a bit odd for some

Yeah. That would be good for me because while I don’t play competitively, so I don’t need perfect sound accuracy as a targeting aim, RPGs these days are so close to FPS you benefit from a lesser degree of the same kind of modifications, though with a different goal in mind. Casual FPS, as in a campaign of sorts, or RPG, there’s so little difference sometimes if you consider something like Mass Effect.

@Falenkor

the unfortunate thing is for the most resolving, bassy, crystal like, open presentation… it definitely comes with a cost usually above $450+ in terms of open backs with all the capabilities. I didn’t start hitting that till after $400 myself.

That’s fair. Maybe one day.

[quote=“Alfredo3001, post:1050, topic:11765, full:true”]
I remember my first audiophile experience when I had the dt990 pro with the micca g2. It was an awful experience. I even return the dt990. Two years later I’m running a 2000+ setup. Word of advice don’t fall into this hole…[/quote]

Ooops!

@Falenkor

lol… $2000 setup… you weakling

Lol…

I see you guys caught the bug pretty bad. Part of me wishes I could go that way but alas. Maybe after I get some things sorted out first.

@Falenkor

this coming form the guy with a focal clear mg on his head connected to an extremely expensive Violectric Amp + Soekris lmfa

Yikes. One of those things googled out at $7K.

[Falenkor]

@NewbieOne

Indeed, besides the V or recessed mids it could be something like warm vs cold, dark vs bright, etc., which so far are things I can’t really wrap my imagination around. I’d need to hear examples first to have something to base my imagination on.

its one of those things that comes with time in this hobby, knowing what you appreciate and what you don’t.

@NewbieOne

I hear the 400SEs also benefit from removing the grilles and doing some other stuff like that — something the Sundaras are perhaps a tad bit too expensive for.

I mean, I personally wouldn’t do that as they are fine regularly just can heavily benefit from a pad swap. Hifiman are rather fragile as is so opening them up or modifying them can be on the riskier side of things.

@NewbieOne

Yeah, though even now I can tell the the Tygrs have that special about them so that I just grab them instead of turning the speaker setup on.

I do wish the tygrs were more mid friendly honestly. If beyer would have made a gamer variation to the DT 880 like the tygr instead it would be more appealing since the DT 880 doesn’t have recession in the mids(which mids being recessive can be a very large deal breaker for some)

@NewbieOne

That could be it. They are extremely inoffensive. Maybe just a bit too inoffensive for me.

Id encourage tinkering with some EQ see if perhaps something there can tell you what your feeling thats missing.

@NewbieOne

I’ve been looking for 600 ohm versions of 770 and been almost unable to find any

fully discontinued a long long time ago

@NewbieOne

However, the ‘Manufaktur’ offers MMX (but not 770) with the 600 ohm option. So that’s the only way really to get a 600 ohm 770 — if you’re prepared to pay three times the cost of a used MMX. So perhaps I’d try a 250 ohm 770 with no mike first.

yeah 250 is fine

@NewbieOne

Though the clarity doesn’t necessarily suck.

if we compare something like a sennheiser to say… a hyperx or turtle beach? The levels of clarity, as long as the sennheiser is properly driven with a cleaner source, is beyond a 50% increase usually… I wish headsets were better as it would save my wallet for sure

@NewbieOne

That’s fair. Maybe one day.

thats of course the most ideal price range past that it gets rather crazy.

@NewbieOne

I see you guys caught the bug pretty bad. Part of me wishes I could go that way but alas. Maybe after I get some things sorted out first.

it was genuine curiosity at first, then became more of a research type hobby that mixed both my love for gaming and music then of course led into my love for watching home theater lol. I curse my ears as not everyone hears the same but there are some including myself that can just pick out every little finite detail… and if it doesn’t sound right after you been spoiled its not a fun time. Granted, I have started to learn that more studio type headphones such as beyers newest headphones the 900 and 700 are designed very specifically for studio as such things like lack of separation, detail, soundstage, and specific signature tones are a thing… for me its a bit unenjoyable but I adapted quickly that some headphones just aren’t for the enjoyment but work.

@NewbieOne

Yikes. One of those things googled out at $7K.

Depends on which one you go with but yeah usually those will run you about $1k+ a unit. They are essentially the big boy upgrade to Schiit and in some ways Bursons alternative(to my knowledge). Though, as for budget goes if someone isn’t plunging down the rabbit hole? Go with Schiits asgard 3 + modius call it a day less you really want that clean sound then jotunheim is fine or some other company like topping or something. cheaper, gets the job done, sounds good. Better amps and dacs sound different but also get pickier. For gamers, $400 for the amp and dac($200 per unit) will let you get what your after end game wise and call it a day… marginal gains past that point… headphone is the same way $400-$500 max after that point its all musicality

[NewbieOne]

@Falenkor

its one of those things that comes with time in this hobby, knowing what you appreciate and what you don’t.

Indeed. And that’s sometimes a long journey of discovery, isn’t it. And you can’t really tell what you like until you’ve listened to at least some of what’s out there, so you have to get started at some point.

@Falenkor

I mean, I personally wouldn’t do that as they are fine regularly just can heavily benefit from a pad swap. Hifiman are rather fragile as is so opening them up or modifying them can be on the riskier side of things.

With a B-stock 400SE for 100 bucks I probably wouldn’t mind trying if I felt somewhat confident doing it. But three hundred? Not a chance. Not when that’s what I make on some weeks, and before taxes.

@Falenkor

I do wish the tygrs were more mid friendly honestly.

As far as I can tell there’s a specific pair of Dekoni pads that could bridge the gap, just don’t remember which. Pity these phones don’t respond to EQ too well. Definitely not going to tinker with them, at least for now.

If beyer would have made a gamer variation to the DT 880 like the tygr instead it would be more appealing since the DT 880 doesn’t have recession in the mids(which mids being recessive can be a very large deal breaker for some)

… Though the thought of buying a donor 880/600 and transplanting its drivers into the Tygrs certainly is tempting.

@Falenkor

Id encourage tinkering with some EQ see if perhaps something there can tell you what your feeling thats missing.

Will do. I’ll start from whatwasthatguysnamewhohasalltheprofiles’s site and see where that takes me.

@Falenkor

if we compare something like a sennheiser to say… a hyperx or turtle beach? The levels of clarity, as long as the sennheiser is properly driven with a cleaner source, is beyond a 50% increase usually… I wish headsets were better as it would save my wallet for sure

One useful anomaly I’ve discovered here in Pierogiland is that AD900X with a mike is cheaper than AD900X without. Meaning ADG1X. Their tech support has confirmed it’s the same headphone, it matches the same parameters on the website, and yet it’s like a quarter cheaper. Used to be a third before the sellers probably caught whiff of what was going on.

@Falenkor

thats of course the most ideal price range past that it gets rather crazy.

Well, my position right now is that I got a degree to finish, I like to travel, I need a new GPU, and a new CPU+mobo too, and then an online freelance business is a bottomless money sinkhole for marketing and CPD. You could easily spend as much money on marketing — and need to — as a medium-sized brick-and-mortar business. So there’s priorities, you can’t have it all. But $300 or $400 I can justify. Maybe five or six hundred if I knew that was endgame.

@Falenkor

Though, as for budget goes if someone isn’t plunging down the rabbit hole? Go with Schiits asgard 3 + modius call it a day less you really want that clean sound then jotunheim is fine or some other company like topping or something.

In this part of the world Schiit doesn’t happen every day but there’s all the Topping you need.

There’s a used Modi 2 for 190 bucks, which I guess might not be the best pick from that price range, and Jotunheim for $450, but that’s outta my league. I keep my notifications on, though.

I’m kinda looking at D50s for a little under $300, but that’s still quite a lot.

If I wanted a good bang for the buck, Creative’s own outlet sells G6 for $80. If I had just my old stereo speakers and the 'phones, this would be in and the Sound Blaster Z would be out, but I use 4.0 these days. Finding a 5.1 amp or DAC is a nightmare.

I suppose I could keep the Z for speakers and add a G6 for headphones or even run the 4.0 from the G6 via a $50 optical-to-5.1 decoder or $100 extractor (even from the GPU via HDMI), but that probably means going through some sort of very basic integrated DAC.

Probably makes more sense to just splurge out on an AE-9 or X-7 or something, to have both a dedicated headphone out and a row of jacks for 5.1/7.1. I saw an AE-9 for $200 a while ago but was too slow.

[NewbieOne]

Well, so I decided to skip my headphone amp due to the grain (which varied depending on the cable used and the general route, as in what through) and go straight from the Blaster’s dedicated headphone output, albeit I needed an extension cable for that and ended up using a cheap phone/mike hub that came with my friend’s gaming speakers (kind of looks like the cheaper the cable, the more resistant it is do static/distortion/whatever from the PC). Turned off literally everything via Command and… listening to 3D Classics via Amazon Music in plain stereo mode ended up being a truly, massively epic experience. As I am typing this, Dies Irae is playing (voice sounds somewhat recessed but you can make out the individual words), preceded by Also sprach zarathustra and the Valkyries and wow…

I’m not sure it would be possible to get a better experience from your average cinema. Also makes you think about the greatest and most epic movie soundtracks back from the time they still made good movies, i.e. before we were born. Again, truly, massively epic. But it takes a while of getting used to.

[NewbieOne]

I’ve been listening to country tracks this evening and boy, is the bass amazing.

https://music.amazon.com/albums/B0757SZNHH?trackAsin=B0757TBXQP&ref=dm_sh_8db6-55a4-5232-c978-c4cca

Edit: And the strings even more so. They are eerily natural. I physically pull back to dodge them in some cases when take me by surprise.

[NewbieOne]

Another one:

https://music.amazon.com/albums/B073LRWKRV?trackAsin=B073T2LFV1&ref=dm_sh_b9c7-fcca-7518-2197-119af

The Wexford Carol by Loreena McKennitt. Listening to this with SBX set to 100% and Vocal selected from the SB Command Equalizer list of profiles. Directly from SBZ, no additional amplification. I was blown away.

There are also dedicated gaming profiles, which seem to be making some difference in how games feel, exciting at first listen, but I haven’t made up my mind on them yet. But the Vocal profile really does the job for vocals.

[Michael]

Review from Resolve here.

Beyerdynamic TYGR 300 R Review - Best gaming headphones under $200?

[Falenkor]

I can agree on that and I got a laugh outta the “surprisingly this headphone is more detailed than the 900 pro x”. Been telling people that and they think im nuts… nah, 900 pro x just isn’t the most detailed headphone. The issues with the bass there are the same as in the DT 990 but 990 is worse in that regard… its easily fixable through a small amount of EQ to the upper bass… you can also balance it out. For the value? as a gamer, its one of the absolute best headphones you can get next to as he says. the 560s

[PikeBeyerHead]

Hi, First post but just had to say have swapped the disc pads from my new tygr with my dt880 600 ohm as pictured and have to say am amazed at the transformation. The muddy bass and bleed into the mids has completely disappeared from the tygr. Sound is very, very similar to the dt880 now but with fuller bass. The dt880 still pips the tygr for all out detail, decay and realism but is the perfect compromise especially with poor recordings and metal which works better with the V shaped sound. Excellent tweak that cost me nothing👍

[j.d.lafleur]

I personally think the DT 900 Pro X is as detailed as the HD600. I don’t think it’s lacking detail anywhere and is generally “better” than the HD600 in my opinion, for my taste, and my style. (With EQ of course)

[Falenkor]

well beyers usually have a trait of being “overly-detailed” as it is. 900 pro to my ear has been one of the least in this regard. Mostly because its also just not as bright as the usual beyer

[Mackbir]

I’ve come to the conclusion I should buy an open back headset for simracing and I’m leaning towards the Tygr300 r. Though simracing is a game my Arctis Pro’s seem like the wrong choice for the sounds of engines, tires and other cars around me. I don’t play any other games. I prefer my 5.1 speakers but I cannot always use that. Can anyone steer me in the right direction? BTW I don’t care if I have to buy a separate mic or an amp. I jsut want to keep the headset itself under $500. Thanks

[Blackrao]

I modded the Tygr 300 R by changing pads and the internal filters trying out elite dekoni earpads, foam kits, and DIY materials at home to try and get a more balanced treble. It was really fun trying all these materials out and I liked my end result but will surely try more things in the future.

Beyerdynamic Tuning Mods - Taming the Treble ft Tygr 300 R and Dekoni Earpads/Foams/DIY