šŸ”¶ Focal Elex

Iā€™m surprised you encountered channel imbalance, typically focal has stuff tightens down (although adding massdrop in complicates things)

Im open to upgradea but Iā€™ll never be stationary at a desk with my setup. Iā€™m usually moving around my apartment at LEAST.

Main thing with the m6 is that I want something that isnā€™t blatantly horrible on it. ( Like the HD800) all of the Focals and the LCD2 closed back sounded amazing on the little dap.

Iā€™m down to hear all of them. If anyone has an idea for my tastes at this point it would be you. This time Iā€™m not afraid to spend potentially double. Again, I prefer to have one very good reliable set of cans.

Yeah thatā€™s what I was thinkingā€¦ Iā€™m curious of the soundstage experience.

At the end of the day if I try to be as objective as possible I found that the clear/Elex spun presentation is one of the best in the business. Really not far behind HD800 in continuity around the listener.

The lcd 2 or lcd x would be nice too

Honestly imo I think you would really enjoy the abyss diana v2 (I prefer it to the meze empyrean) as itā€™s actually made to be a portable flagship almost, just awesome and I love mine.

For any of these headphones I would highly recommend getting a dac/amp to strap on the back of your fiio

Hard for me to imagine upgrades from the clear. I really see why some reviewers have heralded it the new king.

I have only tried the LCD closed back but it was extremely impressive. Probably best closed back Iā€™ve heard, although maybe that Stelia as wellā€¦

I guess Iā€™ll have to look into that abyss Diana V2 then. It sounds up my alley, but damn itā€™s hard for me to pick something without proper testing.

I did just move to a new state so maybe thereā€™s another headphone bar around here somewhere.

The reason I mention it is because itā€™s a really high tier headphone that can be portable easily which may be appealing to you, also very high quality build (better than focal imo)

Just watched Zeosā€™s thing on it.

He said a lot of things that excited me like ā€œshockingly comfortable.ā€

But he said one thing that reminded me of those Vokyl Erupts and now Iā€™m nervous. Lol I just never trust his description of soundstage. He tends to interpret that in a way I donā€™t agree with. Josh V. has great soundstage descriptions howeverā€¦

Anyways blah blah whatā€™s your comparison of these suggestions when it comes to soundstage and imaging?

Focal makes a continuous bubble around the listener and I pretty much canā€™t get anything that doesnā€™t grant that effect now.

Ah yes the vokyl, a somewhat mediocre headphone imo lol

I would be very cautious with zā€™s reviews of higher end products imo, just something I will say

The imaging is excellent imo, and it is different from the focal, itā€™s more in front of you in a very natural way, instead of around your head like focal, I think it can portray space in a more realistic and 3d like way, very enjoyable imo, but it is a bit picky depending on your source.

Also regarding sound, I think itā€™s accurate and balanced, but also slightly warmer tilted, very pleasing imo. Detail is superb and timbre is fairly organic, itā€™s just an extremely refined sound overall.

Personally I would take the diana v2 over the clears except for studio work, as the clears are more neutral imo.

What headphones do you want a comparison to again?

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It was mainly the Focals because I consider the Elex/Clear close enough to lump together in comparison to completely different brands.

So yeah thatā€™s pretty much the comparison I was looking for.

I like neutrality but itā€™s not a must have. A headphone can be a little fun, but there are some limits. Like for example I think the blon 03 is too warm of an iem.

Another thing I thought to consider is HIFiman.

I actually have a theory that in 10 years or so they will be making the new ā€œKingā€ headphone. I see them getting QC figured out and stumblingly on something game changing in their experimentation. I look at the Arya and Ananda and see something big in the making to perfect that.

Like how the Utopia led to the Clear!!! :joy::joy::joy:

Oh I see. You mean to what other suggestions.

Any of the ones that have come up here that you know about really.

They are close if you listen on a less than ideal amp, the clear ā€œclearlyā€ pulls ahead with an appropriate amp which people donā€™t consider tbh. The elex is a fair bit less amp picky

Thatā€™s fine lol, I have the shangri la, I would be pretty pissed if they made a new one in only a couple years lol. Also I have a feeling you would really enjoy the arya imo

The diana v2 is still actually pretty neutral, just with a bit more flavor to the sound

Well, to make this easier on myself, what aspects are you looking for most in a headphone lol? That might narrow it down for what you want to consider

I mean, weā€™re pretty much right in that ballpark already from what I can tell. These suggestions seem to be on point.

But it would be:

At least as portable as the Elex
More form fitting than the Elex (speaking comfort here)
In a similar league of soundstage as Clear/Hd800 (in my humble opinion these are in the same tier)
Neutral sound with good dynamics. No V shape. No muddiness, no Beyerdynamic type treble detail.
Natural sound for classical. (With 58x and Elex instruments had a timber that I would expect to hear if it was real life)

And if itā€™s drivable from the m6 that would be ideal.

Oh wow ā€¦ That must be quite the experience

Sounds like the diana v2 to me lol. The vertie is also good imo, the main limiting factors are the portable and drivable, although I would highly suggest getting something like a mojo to strap on the back of the m6 in the future

Basically give me a clear with swivel cups lol

Iā€™m very interested in this headphone now. Only thing that worries me is the $3k price tag. That gets closer to 4x the Elex price than 2x.

And Im Assuming with the verite you mean the open back?

The diana doesnā€™t swivel as well, but you can rotate the pads to adjust them

Do you mind used?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/303444231510

Iā€™ve also heard good things about the closed, but I only have heard (and own) the opens

If I remember right the 58x didnā€™t swivel but I didnā€™t find it uncomfortable. The Elex tends to press at the front side.

Used could work but Iā€™m definitely someone who prefers the safety of returns.

Iā€™m watching a Verite video now. Wow it sounds perfectā€¦ Thatā€™s the kind of headphone that would make me go out and buy a mojo or something.

Yeah the verite is pretty dang good, I think of it as a more fun utopia, as I actually think they compete at times. But do know that the vertie has a colored signature, not something I would say neutral. If you wanted more neutral the adx5000 might be up your alley but I think you would need a pretty beefy amp for them (tubes are nice with them, the vertie is also nice with tubes too)

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