šŸ”¶ Focal Elex

Iā€™ll go check just in case.

Yeah id try using a different cable if you have one, and see if the issue persists.

Did you do a sanity check with another headphone?
Some amount of channel imbalance is not uncommon and some headphones have it worse than others. Normally the imbalance is only at certain frequencies and not across full range.

def check on the cable, switch sides and wear the headphone opposite side too to make sure that itā€™s not ur ears or the cable. But since this is the elex that we are talking about it might be a channel imbalance, ive seen 2 die, 1 became imbalanced then died shortly after while the other one suddenly died. def contact focal if the problem persists!

Tried the balanced stock cable and tried my other amp and still had the same problem. I think Iā€™ll probably just be fine EQing it though. I mean, when switching I can hear the singer in the songs Iā€™m testing with go from being perfectly in the center from what I can tell with EQ to drifting about 20 degrees to the right without EQ, and I think the perfectly in the center with EQ is the way itā€™s suppose to sound in these songs.

No headphones just an iem but itā€™s more than just a little. The whole time Iā€™ve been EQing Iā€™ve just been listening to a constant frequency adjusting the volume on the left to match, no doubt in my mind it has imbalance.

It is good to test with proper test tones also.
There are songs where singer is not in the center and with ā€œnot so good equipmentā€ might have missed that. Friend played a really good song to me and i just had to listen to it at home.
SO at home i thought my setup / EQā€™s was off. Singer was ~10 degrees to the right.
So i fked my settings. Singer was at center and had very good 1h at listening.
Then i played something else aaaaand everything was ~10 degrees to the leftā€¦ So 2 hours of tuning and listening i realized it.
The new song, singer was not in center at the live bar recording. Exactly not at center.
Did not even notice it at first with quick listening with headphones from laptop. Of course now i do since i know.

Ok, at this point, Iā€™ve kind of just given up, this just seems so out of wack. I had to start doing the right side because I couldnā€™t even add any more. It sure as heck isnā€™t perfect and Iā€™m constantly having to go back and readjust and Iā€™m not even sure if itā€™s because Iā€™m moving one and itā€™s affecting others which is the most likely scenario or something else.

Putting it to default with no EQ and just going through the tones, once you get to about 6k and above, it just goes all out of wack.

Dude what are you doing? :rofl:

Itā€™s practically impossible to EQ with that degree of precision. Part of the reason is headphones donā€™t respond perfectly to EQ. Itā€™s also not unusual for the FR of headphones to get messy in the high ranges for many models

You also canā€™t go by measurements for high frequencies, no cheap measurement solution is accurate much over about 4K and even the expensive stuff is inaccurate over 10K.
My understanding is the only way to get accurate frequency response measurements over 10K is to remove the driver and test in isolation.

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Well then, I guess Iā€™m just confused as to what is within reason of being imbalanced between channels and what isnā€™t reasonable. Can anyone give me some sort of max decibel difference at certain frequencies ranges to go by?

Why donā€™t you start with what you here if you run a frequency sweep.
It should be more or less central, and it shouldnā€™t move significantly as the frequency changes.
If it moves from side to side either you have a hearing problem or there is something wrong with the drivers.

Ok, at 900 - 2k hz, the sound shifts to the right with 1k - 1.6k hz being the peak of itā€™s shift. If I lower 1.1k hz on the right side by 3.5 db, it sounds centered to me. At 2.4k - 3.7k hz I hear it shift to the right, this time by not quite as much, there isnā€™t really a peak as itā€™s mostly constant throughout the range with how much itā€™s shifted. -2db on the right side at 2.55k hertz and it sounds centered. At 5.6k - 6.75k hz there is a big shift to the right with the peak at 6k - 6.5k hz. -4db at 6.3k hz and it sounds centered. 6.75k - 7.5k hz there is a huge shift to the left with the peak at 7k - 7.2k hz. -17db at 7.1k hz and it sounds centered. I think those are all the really major ones I can pinpoint right now. It still shifts a little bit going up more, but it starts to be where I canā€™t hardly hear it anyways until my hearing cuts out completely at about 18.5k hz.

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Some amount channel imbalance at certain frequencies is common. My LCD-2 for example very noticeable imbalance at couple ranges for example. But it sounds like you got a pair with unusually bad channel matching. What sucks is how you probably canā€™t make a warranty claim even if it really does fail Focalā€™s quality standard.

@NoName
It is in the range of possible.
high-frequency hearing loss range is 250hz - 8000hz.
It should happen on every headphone, the center image moving.

That sounds like a problem with the drivers, assuming the Elex is the only headphone that does it.
Itā€™s not normal if the shift is significant.
If you bought from Massdrop, theyā€™ll probably end up refunding, since they have no current stock AFAIK.

For the last week or two I have been going back and forth with several headphones on two different amps trying to be VERY analytical.

Today I said ā€œScrew it!ā€ and plugged my Elexā€™s into my Liquid Platinum and just enjoyed the music.

Can barely see tube light from the chair, but when I got up to grab a coke, I saw this:

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I know pads on Focal cans make a huge difference, but what if you stick to the same kind of pad just from a different manufacture. I was thinking of having a 3d printed clip made for the Elex and then picking up something from ZMF. Something like a perforated suade pad. Yes I know the sound will change but how much is the question, as its sort of the same pad if I make any sense. Think ZMF pads on the Elex can be insane. Thanx

Dekoni make very similar pads and they donā€™t sound the same.
The material and the foam on the Focal pads are pretty unique, nothing like the ZMF Suede.