What?!? Is Schiit doing that?
I mean more leaning into focusing on measured performance vs actual to the ear performance, you can still achieve excellent measurements with discrete components
I mean the magnius, modius, and heresy have been pretty much their competition to the more measurement based amps (and imo the modius and heresy are well done, but the magnius was a miss imo)
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I care not for measurements, itâs all about the sound at the end of the day. A lot of companies forget that, and I think ASR has to an extent as well
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What he said; any questions?
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Itâs moreso that they know they can get more attention and sales from their better measuring amps lol, like schiit sold way more heresy amps than they did 3+, so itâs hopping onto the recent trends and just riding the wave. Although some might actually forget lol. Itâs a trap lots of newcomers get stuck into, equating numbers and sound, and at the budget range you can really capitalize on that as a business by sacrificing some sound for numbers
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Thatâs not the issue, the issue is that in order to push extremes in specific measurements, you have to compromise other parts of the design.
The most common of these is using excessive feedback in a design to push down THD and Output Impedence, there are others.
If we all ignored valve amps and agreed that any SiNAD/THD measurement beyond about 80dBâs were basically equivalent (inaudible), then it would be no harm no foul. But when you have a very influential site claiming than A is better than B because one is 125dBâs and the other 123dBâs, itâs a different thing.
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True, but it has become silly somewhat. No one can hear a difference say between a THD of 0.0004% and 0.0005%, so it doesnât really matter.
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Ohh the way Paul gives it to Amir 
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Just encourages sacrificing more and more of the sound quality of the amp to reach measurement and spec targets and try and outdo their competitors, a slippery slope lol
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To some degree. I think Schiit is going measurement heavy at the entry level just to get in on that lucrative market. If you read their product descriptions on their website, though, their disdain for measurement chasing comes through. So theyâre probably doing it to keep the Schiit name relevant to newcomers, build interest in their brand, and fund their more sound-focused gear. Asgard 3, Lyr 3,and Bifrost 2 are all recent-ish examples of them going for better sound simultaneously with their measurement gear.
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I think what Paul was getting at more than chasing measurements is that his equipment measures fine and he thinks itâs Amir that sucks at what he does or that his methodology is inherently flawed and theyâre going to release their own measurement data to counterpoint what ASR is doing
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Thatâs kind of what I got, but Paul said it more politely.
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Yeah, I think Paulâs goal is to kill the measurement fad rather than follow it
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amir vs paul is going to be an interesting thing
ASR always seemed very âif it doesnât fit the very very detailed small changes and microdetails of this one chinese amp/dac then its not worth itâ, paul is a lot more subjective and more into the audiophile hype⌠they are both in a way kind of hype men, paul for the big thousand dollar hifi companies and paul for the smaller objectivity based chinese companies (has anyone joked that he is bought out by topping?)
I have a suspicion that PS Audio gear actually measures well. I donât think Paul wouldâve mentioned testing and releasing numbers if it didnât.
Well the forums over at ASR are having fun with this one. https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/ps-audio-talking-smack-about-amirm.15649/#post-498938
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The in-fighting is kind of funny. 
ASR fans will be super bitter and call them snake oil salesmen or something
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the forum infighting on ASR is why I tend to avoid that community and ultimately joined Hifiguides. they can be extremely pissy and anal over something that doesnât matter nearly as much as the end result. Itâs fetishizing of a datapoint on a spreadsheet rather than the music.
I can see why Paul is annoyed with something like ASR. All their graphs and fucking wave presentations and the dude spends maybe 100 words on how a piece of tech sounds if he even goes into it at all. If audio is all about the feel and enjoyment, that site feels particularily joyless. And if youâve been making equipment thatâs pretty well loved for over 40 years and someone comes around and plugs it into a machine that spews out some wave signs and numbers and then goes âwell actually you suckâ and people who worship the numbers just nod in agreement, you might see fit to defend yourself
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