šŸ”¶ Hifiman Edition XS

So initial impressions on the custom pads (fenestrated micro suede inside, micro suede contact patch and sheepskin outer, non angled memory foam) from @NtraXMod are entirely positive. These went from meh comfort that got a little annoying after a while to close to the most comfortable headphones I’ve ever worn. Full stop.

Bass feel is significantly improved, mids seem a touch more balanced and highs are intact and every bit as detailed. Soundstage seems a bit wider and maybe a bit deeper as well. Height seems improved a bit but might be from the added depth making it seem taller, not 100% sure yet. I initially thought I wasn’t going to even bother with these on my HEKse right away but I’m super tempted. They’re amazing. More impressions later, now is for enjoyment.

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I know some are yet to receive their EDXS, but thought I’d share a good matching case I happened to order.

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Thanks for everybody’s contribution about their experience with Aliexpress. I will post news as soon as the status of my order changes.

Now I have a paring question: would the iFi audio Zen DAC V2 be a good match?

When people say these need a good amp for these- what exactly do they mean by good? For reference, I’m in the ā€œDT770 80Ohm needs an amp to get full potentialā€ camp. I say this to preface that if I’m looking at cans, I don’t want 90% of them, I want 100% of them. My 770s sound good off my LG V30, if a little quiet on most tracks, but they’re still good enough off that phone that people who don’t know good headphones would be really impressed. Hook them up to an iFi Zen, and to me, there’s a noticeable improvement. From reading this thread, it seems to be another one of those cans where some people say it will sound good off a phone, and others saying they really do need an amp. So for my primary question, if you’re a ā€œYeah you can get a lot out of these with a phoneā€ we probably aren’t of a similar mindset. And that’s okay. My 770s aren’t my go to cans I own, but I’ve never seen a pair of headphones so hotly contested on the need for an amp.

Reading that back it sounds a little douchey, but spending $525 CAD on headphones from sites like Hifigo or Ali, I want to make sure any advice is tailored with that in mind. I have faith they’ll come, but to say it’s no different than buying a pair of headphones from a NA dealer distributed in NA would be a lie. The amp I have is a LakePeople G111. While I know this is a quality amp, and I love it, it’s designed for people with high impedance cans: 600 mW (600 Ohm) _ 900 mW (300 Ohm) _ 1750 mW (100 Ohm) _ 1200 mW (32 Ohm). So amps far far cheaper will put 3-5x power into lower Ohm headphones. It doesn’t offer that linear like progression you see with other headphones, so I couldn’t begin to speculate what power it puts out for 18-20ish Ohm headphones, but it seems safe to assume it would be less than 1.5W. I used to have Sundaras and an SP200, and the Sundaras sounded better out of the SP200 to me than the G111. Whether that’s because it was the pairing, the power, or both, I’ll never know, but to me, the Sundaras almost sounded…weird out of the G111. More recessed perhaps. Maybe that’s how they should have always sounded, but it’s not because I dislike soundstage. My Hemps with the big ol’ pads are the fucking tits.

So, when people say a good amp and they scale well, do they mean these need 3+W a channel to sound their best, or do they mean that the better the amp, as long as it’s adequately powered, the more you get from these? I’ll probably pull the trigger this Friday anyway- I went from 3 planar cans to none, so it would be nice to have a pair again. Or do I just save my money and buy Focal Clear MGs, because at the end of the day, I’m a slut for imaging

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The XS has fantastic imaging and much better stage than clears and the XS is definitely more detailed and resolving. As for the power thing, they do need power to sound right, I can’t just plug them into my computer directly or they sound straight up defective while playing sub bass. They love current and class a and I would imagine the G111 would power them okay but I do think they benefit from a touch of warmth if you can get it somewhere in your system.

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Does an iFi Zen DAC count as a touch of warmth? lol As a DAC, obviously, feeding the G111

Yeah something like a zen DAC. Bass boost goes with hifiman in general pretty well.

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My XS came in today.

It’s great, but I need some FR graphs or some AutoEQ to get the EQ right. I’m not quite as dialed in with this as I am with my HE6se V2.

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Yeah I thought the Bass boost with the Sundaras went perfectly and completely compensated for the purported ā€œlack of bassā€ people complain about in the Sundara

purported? Get a FR map. It tries to use middle and upper bass to fill in the missing bass. 4XX does about the same.

Don’t know about the XS, but for real bass HFM 6se v2 is your best new can bet,

Hello all, I have been a longtime lurker here, but never posted anything. Following this thread to support the blind buy helped me a lot, so I feel like contributing. Bear in mind this is much more of a initial impressions than a review.

Mine have arrived today, and they look gorgeous:


My initial amazement was with the driver size and how they felt on the head, it seems like I’m wearing a helmet over my ears, and yet I have 100% transparency, so they are very very open, much more than the 6XX and MUCH more than my DT 880s.

With sound, that amazement persists with soundstage and imaging, as it is big and wide, definitely due in part to their open design.

They sure are detail monsters, and can be too much for my 6XX accustomed ears at times. Everything is bigger and wider, finesse and sparkle is show much more clearly, SEPARATION and IMAGING being the big words here. I put on the new Let it Be remix from the Beatles and felt like that there was a concert playing around me.

Bass is linear, but too linear for my liking, that’s where EQing comes in though. Shelving them produced a very neat result, although different from the pillowy effect I had with the 880 and the 6xx. I don’t dislike neither the pillow nor the planar sound, they are just different. With my dynamics I feel the slam much more than with the XS, where I feel the actual rumble of the headphones. It can be called a slight resonance, maybe, and I suspect this after seeing CSD graphs of the other headphones, but they are not audibly bad (I can’t say for distortion though). I have pad swapped my DT880 with brainwavz XLs and those resonate like crazy and are terrible.

Mids are indeed the weakest link of this headphone. I haven’t listened to Hifimans in person before, and I see that their reputation precedes them: mids are thin although detailed. Coming from the linear mids of the 880 and the vocal richness of the 6XX I was a bit disappointed, but not much, as I had been warned. If you are used to less substantial mids like with the Sennheisers, the mids here won’t be much of a problem. For me they need further tweaking, so I added some gain between 1500-2250 (low Q and mid-high Q, respectively) and the effect was very good. They approach my sennheisers more now, sounding more ā€œveiledā€ but yet tonally correct for my ears.

Highs are the high point here. As said, these are VERY detailed, and that is unfortunately noticed, for my treble sensitive ears, with some sibilance and quirkness over 10khz. Dialing this down was easy though.

Here is the EQ profile I’m using as of the moment, while no FR graphs are out yet (pre-amp is just very aggressive anti-clipping safekeeping, I power these from my L30 and they are very efficient):

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Overall they are a good pair of headphones. It is to soon, and I’m to skeptical and ASRbrained, to call them more resolute, transparent, fast etc, than my mid-fi cans, and a very neat experience when considering the difference in technology and driver size, and a superb pair if you don’t mind EQing.

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I was to put some energy to find a used pair of Edition X V2, then I found this thread…

The XS seems interesting, but since I listen to a lot of jazz and vocal-oriented genres, mids naturalness and timbre is quite important to me. Some owners are reported that the midrange is the weakest part of the XS tuning…

I owned the Arya (V1) and loved their insane presentation (staging, separation, etc.), but found the mids a tad bit dry and the treble a bit thin and sharp up top. I also owned the Sundara and I’ve not been impressed much (they have great dynamics for the price, but I miss the presence and the presentation of the Arya and the fit was horrible for me). Not a fan of the Ananda either (missing some bass punch, a bit lean and boring overall to my ears). So I’m thinking that the HEX V2 is probably more in-line with my likings (more natural mids, more balanced overall tuning, maybe a little laidback)…

So, is there a problem with the XS mids?
In terms of what I’m looking for, should I try the XS or simply go for the HEX V2?

The mids aren’t bad, they just feel a bit too thin IMO for female vocals. With Jazz and classical I actually preferred the stock mids on some tracks to my EQ because they are cleaner and feel more detailed. It’s personal preference really.

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The timbre is something that I really think is done very well with the XS and is much more natural than all but a couple hifimans. If you’ve heard hifiman mids you should know what to expect. I personally don’t find a problem with them but I also think they’re done better than the HEXv2. Highs are more relaxed than the Arya which is nice, IMO, because the Arya was a bit sibilant. Bass has fantastic extension, well controlled and very capable of decent amounts of sub bass rumble. Stage handling on the XS is phenomenal and completely outclasses the HEXv2 and is more linear and natural without being overblown like the Arya while being really close to the Arya size.

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Yes I also like the timbre very much on these. It’s almost as good as my EMU Teaks, if not better, and those bio-cellies have a very nice, natural, organic timbre.

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Oh, in my case i placed an order at GZZB shop on Aliexpress on 3rd of December, on 6th they created track number, but still not shipped the order, The status is: ā€œPending shipping by the sellerā€, is this ok? I’m just need to wait?

I don’t think should be a problem - I had some delay with my SH-9 with ShenzenAudio’s official AE store (back in May - it took it’s time but I got it eventually). Maybe it may take longer than usual, with Christmas and holidays coming up, I do see some other stuff sellers offline also, I think things may generally be slow with AE right now.

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It is very much the same for me with electricxiaomi: ordered on Nov 27, then on the 30th I got the tracking number but no real movement of the package for a week. Today I got a new tracking number, still no real updates though. It looks sketchy but it seems that’s how it works with AliExpress…

This situation sounds bad, 10 days without real movement, you can open dispute and return this money, but it will cost you 5-10 days more for dispute and money return, BUT: im in the same boat with you, i don’t need this money, i want hifiman edition xs! Please let me know is things will change or you decide to get your money back… Maybe this is new scam scheme, they wil take a lot of money - and run away… How long are you going to wait? Maybe better to return our money, and reorder them in hifi go, but money return on this step is already problematic…

Sad to say im lately started to read feedback, there is some that sounds not good, similar to this our situation, but with another headphones. In general feedbacks are 5 stars, but there are small amount of feedbacks like out situation. I hope he will send the correct headphones… I agree to wait, but just want to know, they don’t fool me.

Well, i will wait, i have no other options, order already placed, i will wait.