I don't understand how anyone can say the KZ ZS10 Pro IEMS are good

Why not try to search for a store for yourself? Why limit your search to “downtown?” Why does someone have to do it for you?

Are the ZSX comfortable in the ear? I have a pair of ZSN’s and I think the sound is alright but they’re so uncomfortable that I only use them for live monitoring

They are big, and the stem is long so the whole thing protrudes a bit from your ear but, they are quite light. Not the best but not bad…

You need the Spinfit 360s on the ZSX earbuds. The stock tips are unwearable for me, but I’ve slept with my ZSXs in, deeply into the ear canal. They’re the most comfortable earbuds I’ve ever worn with these tips. The difference is night and day. Go with a small/medium or medium/large set from Amazon, and just return it if it doesn’t work on your KZs.

@Chocolate_Bear
I’m half kidding because I know there already aren’t any music shops in my city, and I never indicated where I was from. My city is a sh1thole and the only thriving businesses are downtown, and the shops down there have no equipment to test and only Bose and Beats priced at 2x market value. It looks like I’d have to go to New York as someone mentioned to even test out equipment. I’ll stick to the Amazon buy and return game for now.

I have not owned the ZS10 Pro, but I did own the ZSX. I was pretty happy with the ZSX until caught the BLON BL03 on sale and bought it on a whim. I listened to those and never went back to my KZs. It’s not that the ZSX was bad at all. I just much preferred the sound signature on the 03. It is a warmer, more natural sound to me, not as analytical. I did have to change out the tips so keep that in mind. I picked up the Dakoni bulletz off Drop for $8. Those give a great seal and then the 03 really shines.

Have you tried changing the tips? It makes a massive difference from the hard plastic (silicone?) ones they come with.
Personally I am really enjoying these (and I’ve never really liked iems) and have started carrying these around instead of my portable headphones.

I got my pair of ZS10 Pro yesterday. After listening to several styles of music I found them really nice. I’m no bass-head but the bass here is really pleasing with detail and not getting in the way of the other frequencies. Since I’m a video editor I’m used to monitor style headphones and the often compared Tin T2 are more on the “monitoring”, clean side. The ZS10 Pro are more “fun” if I can use that expression. It’s like you can feel the multiple drivers doing their work. Really pleased with the purchase.
I don’t understand how anyone can say the KZ ZS10 Pro IEMS are BAD… :slight_smile:

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Yeah, so my title was an initial confused reaction to what what was a good pair of headphones, but, to me, sounded tinny and very sibilant and harsh above about half volume. I didn’t realise since I am just now getting into the audio world, but I suppose I am very treble-sensitive. What you might percieve as just clarity or cleanness I percieve as pain.

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I didn’t try it because it seems like, while tips might bring it down a little, I would need a massive change in sound that only different tuning would do to make these usable

Warning: “cleanness”, for an amp or a DAC, just means quality without distortion, and has nothing to do with treble. :slight_smile:

For the ZS10 Pros:
-Big comply foam tips will add a ton of bass and get rid of a bit of the treble
-And with a decent cable you’ll actually hear mids. Yes, the standard cable sucks so much you don’t hear all the mids the KZs are capable of doing.

Still, I used my KZ ZS10 Pros a bit, but even with all that, the treble could get annoying, and I gave em to a friend.

Okay. amp-based clarity or whatever @piffa was talking about aside–In terms of the frequency response (which I am an amateur at reading) I am seeing that the ZS10 Pros have a large peak around 13k Hz. Could that account for the sibilance and harshness I was hearing in hi hats and electric guitar?

Are changing tips (or pads for headphones) the main way people fit frequency response to their own needs, rather than finding the right pair of stock headphones?

This harshness would be like 8k or even less (especially for electric guitar). Hi hats… maybe but that’s mostly 10khz I’d say. Even a 6khz peak can get annoying for me, and yes, it’s considered treble.

You can change pads, or tips, to change the feequency response… but I’m afraid the ZS10 Pros are not for you anyway. This won’t make the enormous difference you’re looking for.

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That makes sense to me. Having just gotten into the audio world when I made this post I had no clue how different people’s ears could be in this way (hence the hot take in the title) Thanks for all your help.

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I agree with @LeDechaine every ear responds differently and is for that reason that there are so many flavours to choose from. @smoketreez Do you have the same problem with over ear headphones?

I have these and I now have the BLON 03s I have to say I prefer the BLONS, treble is much harsher on the KZs, now don’t get me wrong I think the KZs are great, I prefer them and the Blons over my sure 215s. I brought the Tripowin cable for the KZs and that fits on my Blons. I love the Blons I will be buying another pair for backup, they are small sleek and sound fantastic. I paid 30 bucks for them.

They are great but they are BRIGHT, I prefer my KZs to my Sure 215 and they shit on my Samsung Buds.

Yeah, my Gear IconXs sounded tinny unless I put them on the bass boost setting. The ZS10s I mentioned sounded harsh and bright and my SHP9500s sound similarly unusable at higher volumes. Naturally, since I am a noob, I assumed it was because all my tech was cheap.

I am trying to figure out if the 58X Jubilees and the BLON03 or Tin T2s will suit me better.

I think the 58x is a great choice if you find the shp harsh and want a better sound overall imo, you really can’t go wrong with it for most people. I personally find the shp’s treble harsh and unrefined, and lacking some detail. The rest of the headphone to me is just alright (but the comfort is good at least lol)

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Okay, great.
Thanks!

They aren’t bad the but they certainly aren’t anywhere in my list of favorites