IEM discussion thread (Part 1)

As much as I love it, I cant really recommend it due to the number of people that have reported qc problems with it (mmcx iirc, like mine).

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If you are truly desperate, and seeing that you have the wallet for it. Maybe the newest LZ AX is an option for you…

(I know nothing about this though.)

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You’re past collection is superb, my friend.

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Thank you so much for this I have been super curious as to how the fq graph looks like. Man that’s a v shape if there ever was one. Hehe yeah mine also has mmcx issues, I had to tighting the metal tube in center of the connection for it to make contact with the pin of the cable. After that I was able to enjoy them freely. Maybe you have a similar issue? But yeah this is the only iem that had so many qc issues, the sound is so good though :). Hope it never breaks

Thank you so much :slight_smile:

Mine is having disconnects if i move it slightly. Also spins like a beyblade…

(check the rest of the tuning nozzle graphs in my squig. https://rg.squig.link/ )

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Hehe you read my mind, I had my eyes on the ax when it was announced, I was waiting to hear something about it before pulling the trigger though. But if lz a6 is it, I have enjoyed the journey :). Not desperate as I’m still figuring out what I like/ not like, hoping I can be surprised.

The Lz a6 does definitely have room for improvement for my taste though. If you can combine the bass of the xe6, the mids of the xenns up and everything else from the a6 that would be pretty sublime.

I experienced the same issue of the disconnecting when moving slightly. Tightening the center tube slightly might help as it did for me. Below is a Pic. But not sure as to the spinning. As long as the pin the cable and the tube in the mmcx connection are making contact, it should not cut off the audio. But yes these mmcx connection are probably the worse in the business. I wish I had a 2 pin lol.

Hehe trying out new cable :slight_smile:


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Yeah, I hate mmcx so much…

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Indeed I always prefer 2 pin if I can help it. It has its share of problems too but overall more long lasting and practical in my humble opinion.

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Got the A7 to hold me over till the Meteor got here, this is the first IEM I’ve had where I feel like it’s just straight bad :joy:

This is going back immediately, thank god I have my Olina to back it up :raised_hands:

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Hey kamron, yes I have but from what I recall it didn’t meet my preference in terms of sound. Super versatile iem but the bass was a bit off/different, mids were wonky and the highs were dialed down… All from the perspective of the a6. But ultimately it’s about taste, you may like as my friend did in his workout sessions.

Riku, based on what I’m reading, the elysian x might also be a candidate for it to be a possible upgrade. But those are super elusive in the used market as well. Does anyone have any experience with the elysian x?

@hawaiibadboy is your man

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Yeah I listened for a few hours last night it honestly just sounds like a mess, vocals are nice but everything else sounds like it’s stuck in the mud and when tracks get busy it gets pretty bad

What specifically are you looking to know about the X? I had one on demo for a bit from a friend, and while it was good, I ended up not really wanting to get one myself, didn’t really think it did much over what I already had. I honestly preferred the tuning of the annihilator, and from a technicalities perspective while the x is a general uplift and refinement, I didn’t think it matched the price increase compared to other iems in that range

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Thank you M0N, Maybe a quick sound impression/description would help if you recall. Like reading /Having different perspectives from folks.

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Signature wise I’d say it’s a warmer v shape with more of a recession in the upper mids than lower with the anilihator. I like it, it’s a good casual all rounder tuning.

Quick note on drivability, will suck a lot of juice, harder to drive for sure to get things moving well, but at the same time it’s actually not too picky about what powers it, it will scale and deserves a quality source, but it also couldn’t scale as much as others in the segment

It’s a very grandiose and spacious sounding iem, really impressive width, and better depth than the annihilator but not quite there with other options as it lacks some of the placement accuracy and stage coherency for others in the price point. But very fun and still accurate enough to not be a problem for me for the space and scale it gives things that might not have it naturally

Bass has more weight and feels richer than the annihilator, but still more tight, speedy, and textured leaning, very technical for sure, this time with a more subbass focus and also has more organicness as well, real win here, hits real hard but doesn’t “slam” in the traditional sense, it’s able to be pretty tight aand technical while still sounding properly convincing and not overdone. Pretty awesome

Mids are good but really not great for the price, all I really have to say there, they take a backseat to everything else overall, they’re somewhat

Treble is less intense than the annihilator but has better presentation that still keeps the energy up, very coherent here and pretty liquid which is interesting. Lots of information to pull but presented in a very inoffensive yet energetic way, nice. It’s not the most organic treble I’ve heard, but it feels like it takes the most advantage of the estat drivers for what they are best at, but I’m still not fully sold here either

Tonal density is tilted a bit more weighty here solving the slight dryness of the annihilator, also from a smoothness perspective it’s better in that regard which does really help

Resolving power is very high, and reasonably well presented but it isn’t as organic as I’d want it to be for the price, but still a lot of information that’s inoffensively presented

Timbre is… off. Pretty off, more off than it should be for an iem of this caliber, it just really gives a very unnatural sound to most instruments, it’s not that big of a problem in more inorganic stuff, but for more organic music it really is noticeable and it bothers me. Something in the time domain is wonky

Dynamics are real solid when it comes to macro, but there’s something about the micro that really makes it seem somewhat off, and that could be adding to the overall unnaturalness that can happen with this iem despite other aspects that typically would go against this, there’s just something off on how it presents dynamics that also gets to me, think it’s lacking somewhat when it comes to micro

Speed and separation are actually dialed back from the annihilator a bit, which does lend it to being more organic and less jarring (but also less stand out) from the annihilator, still very high performing here though

Extension is excellent in both directions so no concerns there

It’s a well done forgiving casual listening iem taken to 11 basically, but I’m not sure if it’s for me. It’s just something that I can totally fuck with for some of the stuff I listen to, and then be let down with others, which is normal with other iems but this one lets down in a different way. It’s forgiveness and inoffensiveness doesn’t dull things or make them boring, but it instead represents things in a way that makes them sound somewhat artificial and somewhat homogeneous, that while not insanely severe of a problem (and potentially even an upside for some), still is a major qualm for this price point for me and what I want out of an iem. It just sounds fairly mechanical in most aspects imo. I can see some loving this iem, but at least in my collection I’m somewhat struggling on deciding if I’d have any place for it. This does sound overly negative, but it do really enjoy this iem and in some aspects it’s up there, but I think this is just the wrong audience sorta thing

Just picked the annihilator as a comparison point since I mentioned it beforehand and it’s an easy comparison, but if you want a comparison with a different iem I could do that if I’ve heard it

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Wow this is great. Such an eloquent description of the sound :). would love to have the skill and knowledge about the sound to know how to write something like this. Thank you very much. Below are some of the iems I have owned that stood out for me, maybe we can draw a parallel if you have heard any of them ( Moondrop Variations, Mangird xenns up, Audio 64 u12t, fir m5, Kinera nanna (1.5), Fir xe6
VE phonix, VE ext, Moondrop blessing 2 dusk Sony xba-n3, CA supermoon, tripowin hbb olina, kinera baldr, CA aras, akg n5005, jh Roxanne, CA Andromeda EE legend x se, z1r, LETSHOUER s12, 7hz Timeless, Letshouer ej07, um mest mk2, jvc+drop FDX1, Audeze lcd i4, raptgo hook x, jh v13, Blon BL03, lz a6, Thieaudio Monarch mk2 , Sennheiser ie600, noble sultan, qkz x HBB)

But it sounds like I would definitely need to try it before buying. Can jam might be my best option at this point.

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