🔷 iFi ZEN CAN Headphone Amplifier

[Chripo]

Thanks again @WaveTheory for your enlightening comments and the precious time you take to guide me through my adventure of getting my first advanced headphone Amp/DAC stack!

@WaveTheory

I wouldn’t worry about balanced at this price point. […] It’s still potentially forward-thinking to balance mod your DT1990 if you can do it safely, because it will open up the possibility of a wider range of amps to use down the road. Balanced amping does not inherently sound better, though.

Yes, I understand that “balanced” outputs not necessarily provide “better” sound. But the balanced outputs of the 200 EUR/USD amps mostly offer more power compared to SE outputs, which seems to be benefitial for my DT 1990. That’s the main reason why I thought Zen Can, A50s or the Magnius Amps would be good candidates for me. But I also understand, that other factors like internal design, power supply (cf. Zen Can) etc. could also have a big influence on output power and sound quality. So maybe my suggestions were simply a noob’s naive guess after reading lots of (often contradictory) opinions on various DACs/Amps on the web.

@WaveTheory

The G103-s is probably the best sounding amp you have on that list. I haven’t heard it myself, but I trust those who say it’s the real deal at the price point. You don’t have to match it with a Topping E30, though. You can use a Zen Dac V1 or V2 with it just fine.

Thanks again, I will definitely have a look at some more reviews of the G103-S! And I also like the Zen DAC very much for its versatility (DAC+Amp) and optics, but it’s a pity that it doesn’t offer SPDIF or Toslink inputs. Both together will probably not “stack” very well, but might be the “best of breed” combo in the ~400-500 USD/EUR range.

@WaveTheory

@Chripo

should also be portable in a backpack

This is a wrinkle I didn’t expect. Do you need transportability in your setup?

Well, that’s a use case that might come up soon since my company is moving to a new building where I will be working in a shared workspace without a dedicated desk etc. It’s quite possible that I would prefer working in such an environment while listening to some music (probably mostly at lower volumes). I’m not sure whether I would appreciate “good sound” in such an environment, but if so, I might carry my DT 1990 and DAC/Amp stack between office and home. On the other hand, I might be better off with my old Shure SE215 IEMs (great isolation!) directly connected to my laptop. Or maybe I try to get some new IEMs like the Moondrop Blessing 2 Dusks and only carry something like the Zen DAC with me to drive these (should be way better than the SE215 on laptop audio). So a certian kind of portability would be interesting, but has a low priority (I would always prefer sound quality).

But BTT…

@WaveTheory

If you’re gonna order Schiit gear, I would strongly suggest the Asgard 3 amp. IMO it’s the best <$200 headphone amp on the market right now. With shipping and customs, it might be close to the price of a G103s (?).

Yes, with shipping, customs and taxes one $200 Schiit device will be about 250€ in Germany. The G103-S sells for 269€. BTW, ordering two 200$ Schiit devices together will be 465€ (incl. customs/taxes).

Question: from the ~200-300USD/EUR pricepoint upwards, what would be good examples of recommendable DAC/Amp stacks with balanced outputs regarding price to performance ratio?

I will now dive into reading more stuff on the G103-S and the Asgard 3…

Thank you again for the feedback, I greatly appreciate it!

–Chripo

[Blackscreen]

@WaveTheory

Schiit needs to get their schiit together in international distro, for sure! I was not a fan of the A50s by any stretch. What price can you get a Lake People G103s for? That’s our standard entry-point amp rec for our EU friends.

Schiit’s having a hard time everywhere right now. Tons of backorder products on their site now.

[WaveTheory]

@Chripo

Thank you again for the feedback, I greatly appreciate it!

You’re very welcome. Please do report back once you’ve made decisions.

@Chripo

I will now dive into reading more stuff on the G103-S and the Asgard 3

TBH Lake People reviews are a bit scarce. They are a more pro-oriented company and don’t really send out review units. The reviews out there will be written by owners, mostly. We have a G103s thread:

Lake People G103-S

This is the official thread for the Lake People G103-S Headphone Amplifier This thread is for discussion and reviews. [image] 2 parallel headphone outputs (can be used simultaneously) based on TI LI1876 Readily available in EU! Hifiguides Link [Reviews] Z Reviews

I’m also gonna tag @M0N because he knows about the G103s, and @MazeFrame because he owns one. Hopefully they can help you out.

[Lord_Gormph]

Wish I had read this before getting the DAC and the Zen can

[sebastien_chiu_iFi]

It happens, it’s ok!

[Marzipan]

just sell the CAN. someone who’s got a DAC and needs an amp will buy it!

[Chripo]

@WaveTheory

You’re very welcome. Please do report back once you’ve made decisions.

I have read a lot more about the Asgard 3 and the LP G103s today but couldn’t find a reliable comparison of those with regards to my DT 1990. But I found several posts here and there indicating that the DT 1990 pairs very well with the Asgard 3, as you @WaveTheory already pointed out. So I followed your recommendation and ordered an Asgard 3 in Schiit’s US shop as well as an Ifi Zen DAC v2 together with an iPower supply. The Asgard currently has a delivery time of about 4-6 weeks, international shipment and customs handling will likely delay delivery even more. The Ifi stuff will arrive early next week. I’m really curious how the Zen DAC + Asgard combo will perform with my DT1990.

Sorry for hijacking this nice thread on the Zen Can for something that turned out to be more of a purchase advice. Thanks a lot once again for your comments, I’m now looking forward for listening to music with my nice new gear soon!

–Chripo

[Mundeyn]

I’m loving my zen can paired with the zen dac (v1). And I’ve listened to GTO filter and limoncello filter. At first I thought I like the GTO’s forwardness and analytical but recently switched to limoncello… I find it more enjoyable, relaxing, and laid back sound. Also prefer the limoncello filter on my focal clear MG.

@WaveTheory have you tried the limoncello filter on the zen dac and pair it with zen can? I’d like to hear your impressions and thoughts about it.

[WaveTheory]

I didn’t do any firmware updates. And I can’t anymore because I’ve sold my Zen units.

[Mundeyn]

Ah. Thanks for the update.
Yeah was in the verged of selling the zen stacks or at least the dac when the v2 was announced. But after rolling back the firmware I decided to keep it.

[Blackrao]

limoncello sounds more “organic” aka smooth and rich. i did find it more enjoyable. i found GTO filter more detailed but felt more sterile

[Chripo]

I guess the Zen DAC v2 uses the GTO filter? Since the Limoncello filter was used in an older firmware of v1, it will most likely not be released for v2, right?

[sebastien_chiu_iFi]

I believe the Zen DAC V2 actually comes with 7.2 installed. It does not use the GTO filter stock.

[Ohmboy]

ifi Zen Can Balanced Amplifier

[sebastien_chiu_iFi]

Great review!

[Eric_Rosenfield]

I have Sundara headphones and a Zen DAC. Is it worth it to add a Zen CAN to the stack for this headphone? I’ve heard good things about XBass over the TrueBass and the 3D sound functionality, but not sure if it’s worth the upgrade.

Also iFi seems to think that the IEMatch would also improve the sound by allowing me to turn the volume up higher (I don’t have any noise floor issues so that’s not a problem). Anyone have any input on that?

[CarpentersFan]

Sundara is not particularly easy to drive, Zen CAN will help in my opinion. If you want Class A/B and big power though, go for Schiit Asgard 2

[Serge_X]

Asgard 2 is pure class A single ended(not push pull). I have Asgard 2 and Zen Can. Zen Can is a bit brighter. DT880 600ohm I prefer with Asgard , but Monoprice M570 sounds better wjth Zen Can.
HD600 via 4.4mm balanced also good with Zen Can

[sebastien_chiu_iFi]

You won’t need an IEMatch with the Sundara only with a sensitive set of IEMs like the Andromeda 2020.

[Chripo]

@Chripo

But I found several posts here and there indicating that the DT 1990 pairs very well with the Asgard 3, as you @WaveTheory already pointed out. So I followed your recommendation and ordered an Asgard 3 in Schiit’s US shop as well as an Ifi Zen DAC v2 together with an iPower supply.

Since about two weeks I’m really thrilled by my new audio gear! The ZEN DAC v2 arrived first and already made such a big improvment to my former Soundblaster Z! I could hardly believe a dedicated amp could push my music listening experience even further. Just a few days later the Schiit Asgard 3 arrived here in Germany. Shipping took less than a week from order, much faster than stated on the Schiit website! Total costs including shipping, duties and taxes were about 270€ which is very close to the price of the Lake People G103-S amp.

Since then, I’ve listened to music - familiar and new stuff - almost every night, feeling like a kid in a candy store! As a newbie, I’m certainly not “audiophile” enough to express my sound impressions to this very nice community in an applicable way, but compared to the ZEN DAC’s integrated amplifier the Asgard 3 makes a more relaxed impression in complex passages and reveals more details overall especially in good recordings. In fact, I am surprised to hear (more or less) blemishes in several older recordings I actually thought to know quite well.

Thanks a lot again for all your help, I promise this will be my last OT post in this nice ZEN CAN thread!