JAY's audio memes (and reviews/ranking too I guess)

Just received the Estrella to demo yesterday courtesy of @Rinderkappajoe who arrange the Germany tour and ofc @VIVIDICI_111 for the IEM. As someone who is barely dipping my toes in the iem world and only own two super budget iems (nuo and chu), I’m super blown away by the quality of the Estrella in the short time I tried it. I’m no audiophile so I can’t really explain in the right proper terms but let’s just say I can now hear details that I have never heard before in some songs in my playlist. The bass is pure eargasm for me, the thump and fullness of it is amazing. I can hear the instruments clearly and I never notice any sibilance or find the highs too bright to the point its fatiguing for me. Both male and female vocals are great, female vocals on some songs can be a bit “shouty” on those high pitched kpop/jpop vocals but for me still ok. I agree with all those who have reviewed this that they kinda done Jay wrong with the accessories here lol especially the cable, which for me a bit stiff and also not much difference to nuo, which costs way less.

All this is done only with a cheap jm6 pro dongle and stock cable and tips. Might try the tape mod and listen to it more but from my initial impression, definitely worth a blind buy for me for the price.

Kinda interested in IEM in lower price bracket 50-150$ that has similar tuning to Estrella to get a comparison about quality differences in different price brackets. Any inputs? Also what would you guys use to describe the tuning of Estrella? Is it U-Shape? Thanks!

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Nice little write up, brother! Cool to see the Estrella being enjoyed all around the world. And btw, I agree with pretty much everything you said, it’s spot on.

To answer your last few questions there, I would consider the Estrella a U-Shaped tuning rather than a V like others have said because from my understanding of being in this hobby for 10 years now, having a V-Shape tuning implies the vocals and mids are buried behind the bass and treble which is obviously not the case with the Estrella. I would go as far to say that the Estrella is maybe even a W style tuning. Everything is very well balanced, with emphasis in the bass, upper mids and late treble.

Also finding an IEM with a similar tuning at any price point is somewhat difficult imo not to mention the quality of the drivers in there are tough to match at a lower price point, especially the DD handling the bass and those lovely BAs handling the late treble. The Estrella to my ears have some of the most textured sub bass and perfectly extended highs I’ve heard under $500. They sure are tough to beat for the money!

(That cable is dastardly though)

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Thanks! And yeah I agree thats its a very balanced set. I read a lot of balance set usually dont kinda boring but estrella is definitely not. Also of course at lower price point i wouldnt expect the same quality as the Estrella but i would like it to have at least similat tuning/sound profile so i can get a feel of how different iems in differenct price brackets sounds with similar style. And yea they definitely should include better cable or even modular for the price. Maybe for next collab? :eyes:

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Around the same, Tea Pro goes deeper and thicker, Oracle is tighter and more balanced

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Glad you’re enjoying them man :sunglasses:

I would consider these more of a U shaped, but I can see how some call it a mild-v, although it definitely is more balanced than a straight up v-shape imo. I dunno if there’s one similar for cheaper, but the Crimson would be a more detailed version of the Estrella, although for a lot more and arguable the sub-bass doesn’t go as deep :sweat_smile:

It’s very hard to include a modular cable at this price giving the drivers we’re using, so it’s a good thing you can find many good ones for very cheap nowadays - there should be a lot on sale right now!

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THIEAUDIO ORIGIN REVEW

The Origin is imho the best bassy IEM I’ve heard under $1000. It’s not a basshead set, but it is very fun but still well-balanced, and it’s also the direct upgrade to the Davincis, Hype 4, and the Tea Pros if you like that bassier and fuller take on the meta sound.

SOUND (BASS)

It has a BCD that actually works as you can feel the vibrations in the decay of the notes, and there’s more reverb to the bass versus the BCD on the Bajie; bass notes on the Origin goes deeper, and you feel the bass shake more, if that makes sense, there’s also just a lot more bass which helps with the perception of a fuller and heavier low-end.

However even with a good amount of bass boost the low-end is still very well controlled at the same time in the separation and speed. Even though it’s on the bassier side I’ve had zero issues with layering or bloat or the fear of any bass bleed, the low-end is just very well-controlled but also has the impact to make the sound engaging.

MIDS & VOCALS

Vocals are nicely extended, open, but it’s not going to be the main focus since this isn’t a vocal set and vocals aren’t going to pop out versus something like the RSV for example.
However, midrange detail and separation is well done, around the same as the Oracle MK3s but just with better bass, you feel the reverb more from the low-end, it’s a bit more detailed in the bass notes with more vibration and reverb.

I wouldn’t say it’s a night and day difference because the dual isobaric setup on the MK3s are very good already, but the difference is noticeable, and the overall sound is a lot fuller, and much bassier on the Origin.

TREBLE & SCALING

The treble is also nicely extended without huge peaks and dips, it’s airy, detailed, and cuts through the bass and helps balance out the sound with more energy and detail. There’s definitely a difference in the Sonion ESTs on the Origin versus the PZT ESTs on the Bajie which has more bite and sharpness, whereas the sonions are smoother.

Although, I did run into some fatigue on certain songs with lots of snares and cymbals, for example at the 3:30 mark on Time by Hikaru Utada, when the bass drops and the snares and cymbals come on, the Origin overly highlights the treble region and makes the song sound overly sharp and energetic, whereas it was not this boosted on the Bajie.

It’s fine at mid to lower volumes, but the Origin feels overly sharp and bright in the treble when I try to turn it up, and it hurts the scaling with certain tracks. On the vast majority of songs I tested it’s fine, but just a heads it’s not perfect.

vs MEGA5EST BASS

I would easily take the Origin over the Meag5est BASS as the low-end texture on the Origin is just a tier above it, better tactility and detail, it’s less boomy and smooth, better controlled with the impact still being there but with more reverb and gives you that shaking feeling to the bass.

Scaling aside, where the MEGA5 BASS is smoother on, the Origin just wipes the floor with it when it comes to bass quality while being much more engaging and fun to listen to - it’s less warm and more bassy.

vs SYMPHONIUM TITAN

I would also take the Origins over the Titans as the 5K peak on the Titans does get in the way sometimes when it comes to the snares, and the overall bass reverb and vibration on the Origin just edges the Titans out slightly while being $150 cheaper.

Now, the Titans are more exciting and the vocals do pop out more so if you want something more energetic but still very bassy then the Titans would be a better fit. However, the Titans are a bit leaner in the lower-mids, not as full sounding (not thin though), but the overall bass quality is right up there with the Origin. And if you already own the Titan I don’t think it’s worth buying the Origin since the difference in the low-end isn’t huge, and I would say it’s slight sidegrade.

vs MONARCH MK3 & HYPE 10

As for the Monarch MK3 and Hype 10s those 2 are going to be better balanced, cleaner, with better vocals and mids, more detailed with better layering as they’re not bassy sets. The low-end is still great on those, but just not as bassy, impactful, deep, and reverby as the Origin - the Origin is still the better bass set when it comes to the low-end, but they’re very different tunings.

vs BAJIE EQ

Now, there is actually 1 IEM that I would take over the Origin for the bass… and that is the Bajie, but with EQ. Stock wise the Origin is still better, you’re going to feel the bass shake and vibrate more since it just has more bass and BCD does a better job in the Origin, but after you give the Bajie a bass boost the bigger 14.2mm DD really starts to shine and in-terms of overall impact, firmness, and power to the slam the Bajie just hits harder.

Since both the BCD on the Origin and Bajie starts after 400-500hz, this means in-terms of overall impact the size of the driver still matters a lot more because the BCD targets more of the lower and uppermids which helps with the tactility and transient and not the slam part.

The Origin does still have a bit more reverb and vibration to the decay of the bass, the separation is a bit faster, it’s a little tighter, and if you’re looking for a more balanced bassy sound then the Origin would be better… BUT, if you want something more dynamic that slams harder, if you want that heaviness and impact, and you don’t mind EQing then the Bajie with EQ is the harder more “hard boiled” bass set, as I feel manlier when I listen to it (lol). It’s also $250 cheaper, so, it’s a great option if you’re willing to EQ

CONCLUSION

EQ aside, stock wise, no other bass set under $1K right now is as good as the Origin imho, so if you’re in the market for a bassy set, and you have the cash, give the Origins a shot as you won’t be disappointed.

Thieaudio Origin Final Ranking (MID-VOLUME):

Tonality: S-/S (9/10)
Tech: A+/S- (8/10)
Overall: S- (8.5/10)

Thanks for reading :sunglasses:

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Great comparisons, thanks! :star_struck:

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Did a quick speedrun of some older “legendary” sets :man_running::dash:

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Great one! As someone relatively new to the hobby, this was great context. I think a lot of people will find this helpful :100:

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I’d love a refresher on the U12t one day. I distinctly remember that bass being stupid good for a BA set. I didn’t get the full experience with the staging that everyone else talks about, but regardless it was a nicely balanced set.

I felt as though the Monarch MK2 was a much better value at half the price, though. I still do.

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Oya the Monarch is definitely the much better value, and sound wise imo.

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This was my main issue with them and what ultimately lead to selling my set. In my library it just ended up being a deal breaker for a set at its price.

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Ya I remember vibing real hard at high volume and then getting hit by the snares :face_with_spiral_eyes:

Great set otherwise, if your library vibes with it it’s still solid

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I’ve recently seen used Monarch Mk2 for $650 and a U12T at $950. Does that make it more interesting?

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Yeah, I saw that my self. The Mona for $650 is actual robbery.

The U12t for $950 is a stellar deal as well!

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dam those are nice deals

Half price off is crazy tho, watch out for issues/channel imbalances lol

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@VIVIDICI_111 Jay, are you planning to test Aful P5+2?

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Where does 64 Audio rank as far as QC? I do know that they service their iems for a fee. It seems like they’re one of the safer bets for getting used gear. A QC tier list would be :fireworks: :skull_and_crossbones: :headstone:.

:laughing:

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Ya if I get one lol

@countercharge one of the better ones I think ya, definitely better than Elysian lol

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IO SOGNO & VOLARE all tips graphed:


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