šŸ”· Lake People G111

Itā€™s a very nice combo, drives the 600 really well. Pretty neutral and clean while still being reasonably organic and convincing. Also wider stage then other options at the price point which does help out the 600

Iā€™d also look into audio technica r70x on the can side of things as well along with the 600

What dac would you be pairing it with?

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Hi Bro,thank you for your reply
Iā€™ve not yet decided what DAC iā€™ll purchese
Iā€™ve a question about Lake People G100 and G111
Are they ā€œpureā€ balanced Headphone Ampli (inner circuit) or has just XLR Input/output?

I believe they are single ended with only xlr input

@mon
Yeah I suspected it was so!
Anyway,Whatā€™s the point of spending extra money on an amplifier with balanced inputs if itā€™s like having a single ended DAC/AMP connection?

The lake people stuff is aimed more at the pro market, so having the ability to take in balanced signals is both convenient and helpful for longer runs, hotter level inputs, or if they are in an environment with a lot of interference, also helps tame ground loops at times.

Regardless of that, personally Iā€™m in the camp that (for output) balanced vs SE doesnā€™t really matter, what matters more is the quality of the amp rather than if itā€™s balanced or not. I do think balanced interconnects have more actual real world benefit, but for balanced headphone out I really donā€™t think itā€™s inherently better than single ended output, but thatā€™s a whole different thing to get into. I just feel these days that balanced has become a marketing gimmick to make people think an amp is better just because it has balanced, which is somewhat irritating lol

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If I connect ā€œBalancedā€ Input on the amp with ā€œBalancedā€ Output of The DAC has to be via XLR cable yeah?
If I understand properly,This Type of connection Would be the BEST in order to not to hear ground loops
Is it right?

What about OUTPUT POWER at 300 ohm in SE for Lake People G100 or G109?

You can use SE rca or balanced 3 pin xlr, they sound somewhat similar (but this may not be true for your dac outputs), but if you have a dac that outputs balanced than might as well use that

Yes, thereā€™s a lower chance of hearing ground loops with balanced vs single ended interconnects (although it could still occur)

I know for the 109p it was 1.9w into 100 ohms and like 600 mw into 600, so Iā€™d guess around 1.3w into 300 ohm but thatā€™s a more rough estimate. Unsure what the g100 puts out off the top of my head

Iā€™ve a question:if I purchase a headphone amplifier with high voltage capability and with Output Power 400/500 mW on 3oo ohm in SE
I donā€™t need a DAC with balanced and unbalanced outputs.
The connection via RCA between DAC and Ampli would guarantee me the same performance?
Why a DAC with XLR/RCA Output?should be considered that there is price difference between DAC with Only unbalanced DAC and a DAC with XLR/RCA output

You just need a dac with one or the other, it doesnā€™t need to be balanced, but it can be if the dac ends up being that way

It just depends on the dac you go for. Generally for the price range something like the g111 sits in most of the dacs in a similar price range have balanced

Given the dacā€™s single ended outputs arenā€™t bad it should be close enough to not worry about it (which they wonā€™t be if itā€™s only single ended, but if you buy a balanced dac sometimes the single ended outs are bad because they are afterthoughts, but it depends on the dac), at least with the g111

Personally some of the pairings I like with the g111 is the schiit bifrost 2 (has xlr and rca, about similar sq between them with slight edge to the balanced output), the denafrips ares ii (xlr output is better and single ended output is lackluster), or like a soekris dac1421 or 1321 (which is only single ended, unless you step up to the 2541 or 1541 which have balanced and a better dac module/psu). So itā€™s moreso that the dacs that I think pair with it happen to be balanced, but thereā€™s many other dacs that pair well that are only single ended too (albeit at a higher price point)

Thanks Bro
Could you please Tell me a Good DAC Under 300 euro with Balanced/Unbalanced Outputs To pair with a Lake People G100 or G111?
I Canā€™t purchase Schiit Products because here in Italy are difficult to find.
The Only Option in That Range of price Is something like Topping modelsā€¦Topping Doesnt appeal me.

I really good and flexible option for the money at that price point is the allo revolution dac imo. Sounds fantastic for the price, great flexibility in signature with some settings tweaking, good synergy with the g111. Can be upgraded down the line with nicer power supply if you are into that as well, although Iā€™d start out with an allo nirvana smps if you can as itā€™s a worthwhile upgrade, should be within your budget and able to be had near you. Personally my preference over a lot of the other dacs in this range like those from topping, smsl, etc

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+1 for the Allo Revolution.

I used both the Mojo and Qutest with G111 to ran T1.1, HD800S and 6XX to good effect. The amp demonstrated its prowess by clearly showing that the Qutest is a good cut above the Mojo, these two dacs were a lot closer on lesser amps.

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Hey Guys,

Few questions regarding the G111.

Iā€™m running the Beyerdynamic DT1990s through this amp on the lowest gain setting possible (-12db) and Iā€™m not entirely happy with the low end that is being produced, when listening to electronic music, kick drums feel squashed and hit with little impact.

Is this a natural characteristic of the G111? Should I try and bump up the gain to -6db? Would doing this actually make any difference to the sonics?

My fear is that too much power might be pumped into the DT1990s if I decide to switch the gain, Max power rating of the headphones is 200mw.

Please let me know what you think, really undecided on this at the moment.

Thanks.
Jacques

Hmmmā€¦yeah I would boost the gain. The G111 should not struggle with that headphone as youā€™re describing. Also, I wouldnā€™t worry about overdriving a Beyer can. Iā€™ve plugged my DT880 into amps that have even more power than the G111ā€™s already robust output and never had a problem. Let 'er rip. Youā€™ll be glad you did.

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Gonna give this a go when I can.

Thanks for the advice :+1:t2:

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Update - Thought I would share some impressions regarding the G111, I have been an owner of this amp for a while now and I think as time has gone on Iā€™ve started to notice a few things I didnā€™t notice in the beginning.

Now please take my opinion with a pinch of salt if you wish, Iā€™m simply an audio enthusiast and have only really been involved in this hobby for around a year, I am by no means an expert.

With that out of the way letā€™s begin:

The Lows - Despite being well controlled and somewhat punchy I actually find the lows to be rather disappointing, this in my opinion is the biggest problem with the G111, their is a sort of mushy character and it feels somewhat compressed sounding.

The Mids - I actually quite enjoy the midrange of this amp, vocals have a smooth character to them and overall I really canā€™t find any faults here.

The Highs - With regards to the treble itā€™s most definitely rolled off, this may be beneficial if youā€™re driving bright headphones such as the DT1990 Pro, but for warmer headphones their is a lack of energy here.

Soundstage/Imaging - Those who seek a wide soundstage will be happy, the imaging is also quite good and their is a slight holographic effect with some tracks which can be enjoyable. I would of liked some more depth to the soundstage but I guess at this price point itā€™s acceptable.

Dynamics - In this category the G111 performs quite well, this is not a sterile or clinical amp.

Conclusion - Overall to conclude I would say the G111 is an amp which manages to excel at some areas and really falter at others, the wide soundstage it provides will be appreciated by most, but the lack of low end presence really is a deal breaker for me.

When listening to Jazz or ambient this is not so much of a big deal, but when the thunder is needed for bass heavy electronic music Iā€™m left wanting.

However though if youā€™re in the market for an amp with a polite character, decent dynamics and balanced inputs under Ā£500, I suppose the G111 could be a viable option.

Source - Tidal / FLAC Collection run through audirvana

DACS Used - Topping D70S, Chord Mojo

Headphones used - Beyerdynamic DT1990, Sennheiser HD650, E-MU Teak

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Hi Guys what About The pair HD600+LP G111?
The Amplifier allow to improve Bottom end of HD600?