The one aspect about Nvidia that has not changed over the years is how much of a fucking nightmare they are to deal with.
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so, Seagate is now giving their IronWolf Pro NAS HDD a WRL rating. based on what I can find, the p/n most of us would be buying were those rated at 300 with the one’s rated 500 being so new that none of my suppliers have them listed yet.
in short it appears to be another way to define / calculate their MTBF:
https://www.seagate.com/ca/en/support/kb/annualized-workload-rate-005902en/
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Kudos to EVGA though, I mean I cannot blame them for cutting ties with a company like Nvidia. I mean why bother continuing a partnership if it’s like not even a partnership at all, they are just cutting a source that is clearly not a help for them. Still, it sucks for most people for EVGA has been consistently one of the most trusted brands out there when it comes to their PSUs and GPUs, hell I wished I got an EVGA GPU instead back then but I cannot complain that much since my GPU is still going strong.
Let’s hope this is the golden opportunity for AMD to take advantage, for Nvidia needs that push back for most of their practices in terms of doing business, I can safely say that I am not a fan of.
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I’m curious if Nvidia is treating larger companies like Asus, gigabyte, and msi the same way. It’s still hard to wrap my head around the idea that there won’t be anymore EVGA GPUs.
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I cannot see any scenario in which they aren’t. NVIDIA is NVIDIA, and they’re going to be just as heavy-handed with one AIB as another.
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Given that multiple outlets (LTT, GN, JTC, PHW) have said they’ve heard from various vendors that they all experience at least some of the issues, I have no doubt whatsoever. Obviously, given Nvidia’s vindictive behavior, they’re being kept anonymous to prevent further damage.
Probably also the reason they are not work with AMD or Intel on their GPUs, its one thing to break up its another to start dating your arch nemesis, pretty sure Nvidia would do anything they can to torpedo EVGA
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yeh…no doubt there’s some sort of non-compete clause in the termination contracts.
Agreed, though I wouldn’t expect Nvidia to just ignore it if EVGA started making Radeon or Arc graphics cards
it was probably a great time to exit the GPU market as margins just aren’t there considering the risks
Speaking of NVIDIA…
Two 4080s. Or, rather, the 4080 with 16GB VRAM and what should be the 4070. But then they wouldn’t be able to charge $899 for it.
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there’s a guy who has a degree in economics that says EVGA is at fault and their using ‘disrespect’ as the scapegoat to break with Nvidia.
his theory is plausible, but it’s still conjecture and guestimation.
essentially the imply EVGA bought too much high end RTX 3000 chips and the market has crashed and now they have no way to liquidate them without losing ‘hundreds’ per cards. now they’re ticked because Nvidia won’t let them return the chips, so they’re stuck with em.
I don’t see why that would cause them to split though…writing off stuff happens all the time.
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That’s the same thing TechYesCity tried claiming. Unless EVGA could prove by showing their finances, he was calling bullshit on their reasoning.
Edit: just realized that is TechYesCity, my bad
the flaw in that theory is that if they were overstocked etc, why not write it off like everyone usually does? writing off something is very common, so doesn’t make sense with that point of view.
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He also has the theory that:
“…if perhaps this whole thing is a ruse, and EVGA is playing Gamers Nexus, and alternately the public in turn. Since EVGA derived most of their sales from North America, then what better to have the top highly influential YouTubers indirectly advertise your products at fire sale prices. I DMed Steve, and he said that there is no way the scenario I just mentioned is a possibility, though I see that differently. After the way other companies have conducted themselves in the past few years. And as economic conditions go from worse to train wreck, I go from critical to hyper critical and even skeptical when I detect bullshit from corporations.” -TechYesCity
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$900 for a 4080 isn’t that bad if the AIB partners are able to actually sell their cards at that price (which is doubtful). Nvidia was the only one selling 3080’s for $700 since none of their partners could compete with that, especially after the 2021 tariffs kicked in. Honestly I think Nvidia keeping the price that low was an intentional marketing move. Because of that, the 3080 usually got referred to as a nominally $700 card by the press even if only 10% of buyers got it at that price. It’s also possible Nvidia was making so margin they didn’t care about rising manufacture costs and tariffs lol
I’ll have to watch that. It’s an interesting theory, and outside of a couple of outlier cards like the Gigabyte Eagle, EVGA’s cards were the ones that fell in price first, and I think, hardest.
A lot of the problem for EVGA seems to stem from their understanding of the business relationship as a partnership, while Nvidia considers them more like customers (despite calling them board partners). Most of the actual graphics card part of a graphics card is designed by Nvidia and AMD, the board manufacturers mostly just handle power delivery (“most”, it’s actually insanely hard these days) and are forbidden from touching the entire area above the PCI-e slot.
It’s interesting that the one company to exit is American, while the Taiwanese and Chinese companies seem fine with it. It may be that they’re more used to being treated like 3rd party producers of someone else’s product.
Having said all that. Not telling manufacturers even a ballpark estimate of how much shit is going to cost is a horrible way of doing business, no matter what you consider the relationship to be. It probably explains why a) margins are so small and b) cards seem to be so overbuilt. I’ve never had a GPU I couldn’t overclock by at least 100MHz on top of the factory overclock.
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After seeing the prices for the upcoming RTX 4000 series and Nvidia pretty much saying to our faces like this “EL OH EL, Give me money. If you can’t buy it sucks for you pleb!” Pretty much is an overall conclusion to most people here who don’t have a lot of money to burn, or they do have a lot of money but has a form of rational understanding that not everything on their build should just immediately get an upgrade, that there is no reason to get the RTX 4000 series and I am getting tired of Nvidia’s greed again like always.
Man I miss the days when a mid-high end GPU was a 350USD back then, but those days are gone, adding more pain recently due to the fucking prices still going high. I hate inflation.
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If it makes anyone feel any better about 40 series…
I’m wondering if AIBs are making fun of the cards… Also I hope people using these in smaller then ATX cases don’t plan on putting anything else in. These things are massive.
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